Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,16:38)I never said God was our example. I said Christ was and is our example.Didn't that scripture show that God was Jesus' example? If he only does what he sees the Father doing, then the Father is Jesus' example, right?

Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,16:27)If your doctrine does not help me to become like christ it is just an idle philosophy.Suit yourself Martian. As for me, I will believe the scriptures whether or not I think they make it more possible for me to be like Jesus.

Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,16:19)In order for Christ to be a perfect example for us to follow we must have the same starting place and the same capabilities.How then is God to be a perfect example for Jesus?John 5:19I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the…[Read more]

Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,15:58)Nope not right.I ask how does preexistence help me to have hope that I can be like Christ? How does it help me do that? If it is just so many words with no fruit what is the point in believing it?So if YOU decide a doctrine helps you out, or makes you feel better about yourself, then you will accept it?It…[Read more]

I await a response from Marty, Gene, and Frank ( ) to the 8th post on page 196.I have challenged you all to show a SCRIPTURE that prohibits Jesus from pre-existing his time on earth as a man.

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,22:13)Mike,The Word of God is not a being.  What would you say if someone claimed your word was a being?  Wouldn't you think them silly even if a spokesman for you; was addressed as your Word.And what of the spokesman for the King of Abyssinia, Kerwin?  That spokesman for the king was called “the Word of the Ki…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:52)Hi MB,If the Word is made in the likeness of a man then the Word is not a man.So if God raised up sons of Abraham from stones, are you saying that they wouldn't really be sons of Abraham, because they exsisted as stones previously?(Please directly answer the question, Nick.)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:47)So where is Jesus said to have been an angel-any witnesses?Yep. And I've already shown them to you.

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:46)the nautre of man is not all knowing. but the nature of GOd is all knowingSo then when Jesus was man, he WASN'T really all-knowing, was he?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:41)Hi MBExodus 14:19And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:Was this Jesus in your opinion?Could very well have been Jesus. But Paul could also be talking about Moses, another…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:40)Hi MB,You say”Also, if it DOES refer to Jesus “christos” this time, then all it proves is that Jesus was the ANGEL OF GOD who God sent before the Israelites.  It doesn't in any way make a claim that Jesus is God Almighty, does it?” Is this proveable or just an opinion?Are you TRYING to contradict yourself,…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:33)no need to explain mikeread in 1 cor 10-1.4 that it is moses.Read in that scripture that it is Jesus. (And I mean the GREEK TEXT, not one of your cheesy, altered translations.)And, if you CAN read it in the Greek text, will you admit that Jesus was the ANGEL OF God who was COMMANDED by his God to go before the…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:30)the verse mat 24.36 refers to his human nature. as man, he did not know the time of his coming.So then, as a man, he WASN'T really “all-knowing”, was he?John 5:20For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these.It seems Jesus was NOT…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,09:13)Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,06:22)For they drank from the spiritual rock that traveled with them, and that rock was Christ.Jesus may have been the angel of God who went before the Israelites in the wilderness.  (Exodus 20:20-23)  But that verse could just as easily be r…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ April 19 2012,20:19)I think it is so funny how Mike continuously gets owned on the very forum that he co-moderates!And I think it's hilarious how you keep referring to “you running away from my questions” as “me getting owned”.

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2012,19:23)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,07:05)Just like when when Abraham's name “was called Abram”, it didn't mean he was really “Abram”?  It's sometimes fun to read the silly things people come up with in an effort to force the scriptures to teach a doctrine they really don't teach.If “his NAME IS CALLED the Son”…[Read more]

At least four different scriptural witnesses say that our one Creator worked through HIS SON – not “through the Spirit that is in his Son”.Can you explain the discrepancy between what YOU say and what THE SCRIPTURES say?

And does the King live by his spirit INSIDE OF YOUR FLESH BODY, Nick? YES or NO?

No………….. YOU align it with your belief that the morning stars in Job are “angelic sons”. Tell me how THEY can align with 2:28, but Jesus being the brightest angelic son cannot.Nick, we are off topic here. And it is also clear that you have no scriptural or logical reason at all to claim that “bright morning star” CAN'T POSSIBLY mean…[Read more]

Just like when when Abraham's name “was called Abram”, it didn't mean he was really “Abram”?  It's sometimes fun to read the silly things people come up with in an effort to force the scriptures to teach a doctrine they really don't teach.If “his NAME IS CALLED the Son” wouldn't change the fact that Jesus IS the Son, then “his NAME IS CALLED the…[Read more]