Quote (jammin @ April 20 2012,21:51)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,11:10)I don't see the name “JESUS” anywhere in that Greek text, jammin.  I see the word “christos”, but God has had many of those – only one of which was “JESUS”.  So tell me again how you know it refers to Jesus when it doesn't mention his name?Also, how do you know that “the L…[Read more]

Gene,It is only your own personal wishes that say Jesus must have been exactly like the rest of us.  The fact that he was begotten directly by God and had no human father should tell you right away that he was NOT exactly like the rest of us.  In your scenario, God picked a normal human being who was going to die anyway and made a sort of deal w…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,19:40)The sons of God are led by the SPIRIT of God so angelic sons, the MORNING STARS, are too.Now the Lord is the SPIRIT and is the MORNING STAR.So all of the MORNING STARS merged together with Jesus and the Spirit and became just ONE MORNING STAR?

Quote (Ed J @ April 21 2012,04:56)Hi Jammin,These verses PROVE that “The Word” is the HolySpirit”!Are you ready to go through them one by one now?Ed,The Holy Spirit did not become flesh and dwell on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son. End of story.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 21 2012,00:11)Hi MB, So when was you preexistent lesser god born first??Jude says he was Lord “before all ages”, Nick.But aren't you supposed to be showing me from SCRIPTURE how my pre-existent understanding is impossible?I await the first SCRIPTURE from any of you that prohibits Jesus from existing as a spirit being…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 21 2012,01:50)Mike,Any living being is conceived once because conception is the beginning of their being.  Stating Jesus was conceived before he was conceived is therefore a paradox.Dicitionary.com lists as a definition of conceived:  7. to beget.Isn't being “begotten” also something that typically happens only once during t…[Read more]

What “paradox” would there be in God causing a spirit being to be conceived and born as a human being? And of what “confusion” do you speak?Please explain. Jesus said we must be born again. Yet you contend that it was impossible for God to cause Jesus to be born again. It seems you're inventing your own “confusion” and “paradox” where there is…[Read more]

So then you ADMIT that there ARE discrepancies between YOUR words and God's written word? Hmmmmm…………………

So the Kingdom of God can exist INSIDE a flesh human being, but a flesh human being cannot enter it? Please explain.

The words “who is in heaven” is most likely a marginal note that was inadvertently added into the words of Jesus. Jesus was not “in heaven” when he was speaking to Nicodemus.In Col 3, Paul is using zealous language. He does that often, like when he says “we have died to sin”. Nobody he said that to was literally dead.I asked you if you…[Read more]

Quote (francis @ April 19 2012,23:31)I am going to assume that your desire to not respond to anything else I've written, is tantamount to you agreeing with the rest of my prior post.I'm going to assume that is an incorrect assumption on your part, Francis. I know it always was when you assumed the same thing in our debate. Other than that, you…[Read more]

Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,19:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 21 2012,10:51)Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,17:03)If Christ is deity prior to his coming to Earth, it begs the question, Can the Judeo Christian God stop being God and become a man? Does that fit in the character and attributes of the immortal immutable God of the bible?Why only…[Read more]

Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,19:38)This does not teach becoming like the Father.No human can actually be like God.Matthew 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2012,18:46)Mike,It is IMPOSSIBLE that God took an already existing spirit being and caused him to be conceived as a human being who is later born of a human woman.Jeremiah 32:27 “I am the LORD, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 20 2012,18:01)Mike,Jesus has never preexisted his conception because no one preexists their conception. Any Scripture that states Jesus was conceived in his mother’s womb contradicts the idea he preexisted his conception.Kerwin,Most of your post was focused on you pretending that you can't understand the difference b…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,20:46)the nautre of man is not all knowing. but the nature of GOd is all knowingSo then when Jesus was man, he WASN'T really all-knowing, was he?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 20 2012,13:18)Quote (carmel @ April 21 2012,01:26)High Edj,Matthew 4:7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Wasn't Jesus referring to Himself, after all He was being temptedHi Charles, Satan was suggesting that Jesus tempt God by doing something stupid and then expecting God to…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 19 2012,21:00)let me post you request greek ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ Α΄ 10 1ου θελω γαρ υμας αγνοειν αδελφοι οτι οι πατερες ημων παντες υπο την νεφελην ησαν και παντες δια της θαλασσης διηλθον 2και παντες εις τον μωυσην εβαπτισαντο εν τη νεφελη και εν τη θαλασση 3και παντες πνευματικον βρωμα εφαγον 4και παντες το αυτο…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,21:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2012,13:47)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 19 2012,20:41)Hi MBExodus 14:19And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them:Was this Jesus in your opinion?Could very…[Read more]

Quote (shem4name @ April 20 2012,17:03)If Christ is deity prior to his coming to Earth, it begs the question, Can the Judeo Christian God stop being God and become a man? Does that fit in the character and attributes of the immortal immutable God of the bible?Why only the two options, Martian? Why do you claim that Jesus either had to be nothing…[Read more]