Quote (shem4name @ April 24 2012,19:12)If what you say is true then Christ made all of his decisions from the Jordan forward on criteria, memories and knowledge not available to us.Yep.  Do you think the Israelites were unable to use Samuel as an example, and follow him as their ruler because he was receiving information from God that the rest of…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,19:03)Hi MB, Do you agree with his private interpretations including that all men pre exist?Nope.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,19:10)The one who BECAME the SON and the CHRIST by the anointing was called out of Egypt. I should have known.So the scripture is wrong, because God didn't REALLY call His Son out of Egypt, but someone who would some day BE His Son? Is that it?Nick, was the SON OF GOD ever IN Egypt? Or only the “soon to be”…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:27)The Word that said he proceeded forth and came from GodJohn 13:3Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;Nick, did Jesus LITERALLY return to God? If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY came from God?Did Jesus LITERALLY…[Read more]

Flesh gives birth to flesh, Nick. To enter the Kingdom of God, you will have to be born again of water and spirit, thereby no longer consisting of flesh. (Flesh cannot inherit God's Kingdom.)

I read it as God pouring out Holy Spirit on Jesus when he was baptized by John.Just as God poured out Holy Spirit on Saul AFTER he was already an anointed one of God.I understand that Peter could have said “anointed with Holy Spirit and power”, or “received the Holy Spirit and power”, or “God poured out His Holy Spirit and power”, or “God gave him…[Read more]

Hi Ed,When I read your post, I had to double check that it was you, and not Carmel, who posted that stuff.  I'm sort of with you on the “mind sweep” thing.  I don't believe Jesus had his past memories until the Jordan.  I believe that when he was baptized, the Spirit that came upon him filled him with the memories of his past life in he…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,20:24)Hi MB, Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.King Jesus will rule on earth.ps2May your Kingdom COME on earth……………….AS IT ALREADY IS IN HEAVEN.The Kingdom is NOW in heaven, Nick. Jesus rules there NOW.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,18:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 25 2012,11:34)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,20:33)Hi MB, Of course God anointed Jesus Of Nazareth. The Nazarene was anointed not the babe from Bethlehem.Scripture (in fact, an angel sent from God) says he was BORN the Christ, Nick.Your argument is with that angel – not with…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 24 2012,10:06)You here on heaven net especially MIKE,consider Jesus as an ordinary man.Really? Charles, I fight the Trinitarians with my left hand the the non-preexisters with my right. Jesus was the Son of God whom God sent into the world to die as His sacrificial Lamb so that our sins could be atoned for.He was NEVER “an…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 24 2012,05:09)Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,20:35)Hi Jammin, You cannot follow God.i follow GOD that is why i believe that the son is God by nature.paul said that, an apostle of Christ.Actually Paul said that Jesus was existing in the FORM of God before being made into a human being.But, it's your story. Tell it how you…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ April 23 2012,23:55)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:20)Quote (carmel @ April 23 2012,14:46)But Jesus was already anointed,HE WAS BORN ANOINTEDHi Charles,I agree that Jesus was born an anointed one of God, and “the one who was to come into the world”. (John 11:27)  Since Jesus was THE anointed one who was to come into the…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 23 2012,22:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:10)The “christ” could have been Moses OR Jesus.And the “lord” could have been Jesus (IF the “christ” was Jesus)OR God.paul is referring to his LORD and not MOSES! moses is not his LORD!Is “God” his Lord, jammin?Read my words again.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,20:33)Hi MB, Of course God anointed Jesus Of Nazareth. The Nazarene was anointed not the babe from Bethlehem.Scripture (in fact, an angel sent from God) says he was BORN the Christ, Nick.Your argument is with that angel – not with me.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 23 2012,20:25)Hi MB, Are you unaware that those there at Pentecost received the baptism of the Spirit?Nick,Are you unaware of the difference between a human being recieving the gift of God's Holy Spirit, and a human being being born again of water and spirit – thereby consisting of flesh no longer?

Quote (kerwin @ April 24 2012,16:17)Matthew 24:22King James Version (KJV) 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.So why speak of flesh being saved if flesh is not saved?Apparently, at the time of the great tribulation, some of God's elect are still flesh…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,13:23)Hi,Jn 1.14″ and THE WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us, and we saw his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth”  Everyone assumes SON should be in this verse. But it shouldn't.And when did Jesus become God's Son?

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 24 2012,04:27)The Word that said he proceeded forth and came from GodJohn 13:3Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God;Nick, did Jesus LITERALLY return to God?  If so, then why not accept that he also LITERALLY came from God?Did Jesus LITERALLY…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ April 23 2012,22:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 24 2012,10:27)And were they LITERALLY not in the flesh anymore, Ed?  Or was that a metaphorical way of speaking, like Peter saying they were “born anew”?Hi Mike,”Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind” (Rom.12:2)”The carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the…[Read more]

Quote (shem4name @ April 24 2012,17:36)The premiss of this OP was not the preexistence. It was the fruit of doctrine. If you want to believe that Christ preexisted that's fine with me. As long as you agree that the man that was born and walked on this Earth did so without any advantage in power, knowledge or source of God then we have. If you do…[Read more]