Quote (jammin @ June 19 2012,23:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2012,10:44)But you need to study more about the Greek word “proskuneo” and the Hebrew word “shachah”.  Both words can refer either to the bowing down to anyone (including Abraham and King David) to show reverence………..  OR  …………..to the worship of God Almighty or other go…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2012,22:18)Hi Mike: I hate to burst your bubble, but this verse              says Jesus didn't take the form of an Angel:”For verily he took not on him the nature angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.” (Hebrews 2:16)Paraphrase: He didn't become an angel, but of the seed of Abraham.God blessEd JHi Ed,I agree that t…[Read more]

Quote (Devolution @ June 20 2012,07:45)I like your humility Mike…I too need to examine myself because sometimes the spirit of love gets pushed aside by the spirit of frustration, and from there anger/pride etc sometimes swells up in me causing me to say the wrong things, and later when i reflect on my words….regret stings me!Thanks J42, we all…[Read more]

Can you scripturally refute the things I say, Nick? If not, then shhhhh……………..

Btw, what does your response have to do with the last post on the previous page…………….the one you should be addressing?

Nick, when will you learn?If Jesus IS said to be a god in scripture (which he is), and he is NOT the Most High God (which he isn't), then he has no choice but to be a lesser god – or as the 25 scholars from NETNotes worded it, “a lesser diety”.And if “angel” is the word used for a SPIRIT BEING messenger of God, and Jesus IS a spirit being…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 19 2012,20:15)And BTW, your “God of Luck” has nothing to do with Father Yahweh or His son Yahshua the Messiah that He promised to sent in this last time period. Again as always, you have been owned!No Frank,It is YOUR Jesus who was “lucky”. Mine made a great sacrifice. Yours won the best lottery ever imaginable.

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2012,20:02)Hi MB, Your only tool is logic so how can we dialogue?Nope. Wrong again, Nick (as usual).My tools are God's written words, AND my God-given logic.Are you able to scripturally refute any of my posts, Nick?(Just say “NO” and end this charade, okay? Because we both know you can't, and that's why you opt for…[Read more]

But, as a “Trinitarian”, I DO have more, Nick. I just told you that “the Spirit showed me” that the Son of God is the very God he is the Son of.Perhaps you need to get the Spirit, huh?

Your question, even if I was able to understand the wording, is off point.  But can you show me where Jesus and his God (the One who is also OUR God) receive the same honor?

Yes Kathi,Let's DO keep it simple. The passage speaks of ONE who is “God Almighty” and “our Lord and God”……….and it speaks of ANOTHER, who apparently is NOT “God Almighty” and “our Lord and God”, because that OTHER ONE takes a scroll from the hand OF the one who actually IS “God Almighty” and “our Lord and God”. (Oh, and seeing how the…[Read more]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 19 2012,19:20)Hi MB,God is the son of God?Hmmmm………… doesn't sound LOGICAL at all, does it Nick?Do you see how YOU used your God-given LOGIC to make your response?But now let me pretend I'm a Trinitarian, and answer your logical point with this:Nick, you must be shown this truth by the Spirit. God will only call…[Read more]

Nick,Can you refute any of my posts with scripture? If you can, please do so in order that I may learn the truth. If not, then shhhh…………

I'll wait for your response to my two points, Kathi.  We're getting off track with stuff we've already discussed MANY times before – stuff that you just claim, with no scriptural backing.For example, which scripture says the Son receives the “same honor” as his own God?  (And don't say John 5:23, for that means, “you honor the Father, also honor t…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 19 2012,19:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 20 2012,10:51)Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ June 19 2012,17:31)Yeah right! Mike, Pierre and t8's teaching “not only aligns with every scripture, but makes perfect, logical sense in the process!” They teach that THEIR “Jesus” pre-existed it's birth as “a god” then emptied itself of being “a…[Read more]

Here are the other points:1.  But there is no denying that the passage I quoted lists the Father alone as “God Almighty”, and “our Lord and God” – because the Son is listed as someone completely different from the One who sits on the throne.You correctly identify that “Jesus takes the scroll from the Father”.  But what you seem to gloss over is t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2012,18:46)So just in a few verses we see that THEY both are given praise, honor, glory and power forever. THEY both are the temple in heaven. THEIR wrath is to come on 'a day.'Many are “given praise, honor, glory and power”. God has the most of all of these things, His firstborn Son has the second highest amount, and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 19 2012,18:24)Mike,I have never disagreed that the Father has authority over the Son. You have authority over your son, do you not? Does that make you unequal? You are both equally human even though there is a difference in position. The Father and Son are both equally god natured even though there is a difference in…[Read more]

Bump for Nick.

Kathi,I feel us moving farther and farther away from my points in the second post on the previous page.