Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 07 2012,09:10)What makes you so sure you are not the one DELUDED?I'd say the one who is backed up by UNADULTERATED scriptures is the one who is not delusional.  For example, the one who reads John 17:5 and thinks, Hmmmm……. The person Jesus said he had glory alongside his God before the world began, so I guess he…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 06 2012,20:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2012,06:05)Kerwin, you don't seem to be addressing the point here.  Jesus was existing in the form of God, was made into the likeness of a human being.Where is that said about Abraham?Mike;As for Abraham; I did not know that there was any doubt he was born of woman.  Where was A…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ July 06 2012,21:09)now for your next question. the bible says that christ is eternal just like his father. John 1:1Amplified Bible (AMP)1 In the beginning was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.Actually, that was a man saying , jammin – not the Bible.John 15:27And you also must testify, for…[Read more]

Kathi,I pray that you accept the fact that for us, there is but one God Almighty, the Father. But He has a Son, Priest, Servant, Mediator, and Anointed One that He set up as King and Lord over us. That one is also very powerful and deserves much praise and honor, but he is not the Most High God who begot him and set him on high.

It seems the Trini's usually like the word “by” – as in “the world was created BY Jesus”. Anyway, the reason I used Tertullian's quote is to show creating through Jesus doesn't mean God didn't do the creating by Himself.After all, my son only exists because he is a creation of God alone. But God created him through me.

Good post, t8.

And what of these:Revelation 2 1 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write………………8 “To the angel of the church in Smyrna write…………..etc……….The NIV footnote included with verse 1 says, “Or messenger; also in verses 8, 12 and 18″Who out there in HN land thinks John needed to write things down for angelic beings?  I'm lean…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 06 2012,19:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 07 2012,11:09)Tertullian put it simply:  He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another.Mike,And BTW, was not Tertullian a Trinitarian, since it is recorded that “He wrote his trinitarian formula after becoming a Montanist.”?Tertullian is the man…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 06 2012,18:53)Mike,As to your saying: Quote I claim that God, alone and by Himself, created all things through His Son Jesus Christ.I claim what Father Yahweh has claimed in His inspired prophetic word and that is that He “ALONE”, “BY HIMSELF” with “NO ONE BESIDE HIM” created the heavens and the earth and ALL things in…[Read more]

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 06 2012,18:25)I see no problem  with the words that Yahweh spoke out of His mouth having the esteem of His only begotten son…………Well Frank, Therein lies the difference between you and I.  I think what you “have no problem with” is absolutely ludicrous.I once said the word “cherry”, and that word floated around t…[Read more]

Good questions, Wakeup.

I don't claim that Jesus created anything, Frank. I claim that God, alone and by Himself, created all things through His Son Jesus Christ.Tertullian put it simply: He who creates is one, and he through whom the thing is created is another.

Kerwin, you don't seem to be addressing the point here. Jesus was existing in the form of God, was made into the likeness of a human being.Where is that said about Abraham?Your last question is getting into philosophy, and I'd rather not go there unless the scriptures clearly answer the question you asked. If not, we would just be wasting time…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ July 06 2012,16:56)If the Holy spirit is in us; does it mean that we are the Holy spirit?Good one.

Quote (jammin @ July 06 2012,17:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 05 2012,03:49)jammin, is God Almighty the most powerful being who has ever existed?  YES or NO?if you say GOD the father, the answer is yes………Can THE most powerful being who has ever existed beget THE most powerful being who has ever existed?

Quote (Frank4YAHWEH @ July 06 2012,17:38)Do you believe that every occurrence of “the word” in Scripture in reference to Yahshua as an existing being?Not at all. Read my last post to Wakeup on this thread. I've been trying to tell Kerwin and others that “the word of God” doesn't ALWAYS refer to a word God has spoken. Sometimes, as in Rev 19:13,…[Read more]

Wakeup,Was everything created by the rider of the white horse in Rev 19:13? Or are there more than one usage of the phrase “word of God” in scripture?I agree that God spoke all things into being. But all those things were created through Jesus Christ. He had to have existed with his God before the world began or it couldn't have been created…[Read more]

1Corinthians 8:6 A.  yet for us there is but one God, the Father…………..B.  yet for us there is but one Godhead, the Unity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit………………..One of those is the actual scripture.  Those who believe the other are fairly scarce around here lately.

Revelation 12:9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.Does the “adversarial intellect inside each one of us” have his own angels that were thrown out of heaven with “it”?

I have no clue what you are talking about with your Abraham reference, but I read your answer to my post and to t8's post, and it seems you are missing a step:Was existing in the form of God > was made in the likeness of a human being.Your claim that Jehovah made him from nothing into the likeness of a human being seems to ignore Phil 2:6, where…[Read more]