Proclaimer:  I see. So when day is mentioned in scripture, then it can be any length depending on context. But when the days are numbered, then it switches to 12 or 24 hours… You just made that up on the spot to get you out of a pickle. No one is buying that explanation. It is not well thought out and no serious student or scholar would…

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Mike:  Does the Bible teach that the sun was MADE and PLACED in the firmament of the heaven on day four of creation?  Yes or No?

Proclaimer: It says:

 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky.

Genesis 1:16-19… God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the s…[Read more]

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Does the Bible teach that the sun was MADE and PLACED in the firmament of the heaven on day four of creation?  Yes or No?

Gene:  …did God destroy this earth before and cover it with water again and kill off all life that what was on this earth before, and then start with another beginning that we read about in Genesis?

I have no valid reason to even ponder such a thing.  The question is WHY you would.  I know the answer: Scientism

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Mike:  So my point (as attested by the entire Bible) stands that any time God speaks to humans about a certain number of days, He is ALWAYS talking about 12 or 24 hour literal days.

Proclaimer: Was God alone in the context of the following verse? No.

Did man exist in the context of the following verse? Yes.

The day of building your walls will c…

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Proclaimer:  But man wasn’t created either.

But man had been created and experiencing 24-hour days (with an evening and a morning) for 2500 years by the time God related the creation account to Moses, right?  So my point (as attested by the entire Bible) stands that any time God speaks to humans about a certain number of days, He is ALWAYS tal…[Read more]

Carmel:  Reading the above, IT CLEARLY SAYS  that God not only created things but also MADE THINGS.

Isaiah 43:7…  Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

In the above, God said He created, formed, and made everyone that is called by His name.  Do you think tha…[Read more]

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Please see the second post on this page and address the 3 questions in the red rectangles.

Please see the third post on this page and address the 2 numbered questions.

Please see the fourth post on this page and address the numbered question.

That makes six questions and one request for a second witness that we’re w…[Read more]

Proclaimer: That one witness is enough because it specifically states that a day to God is like a very long time. It is clear and not hard to understand. It is either true or not. A day is like a very long period to God. It is not 24 hours.

Peter’s statement has no bearing on our discussion, because we’re not talking about how God experiences…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  I haven’t read those questions. Which question is the most important?

They are all important.  I’ll wait until you’ve had time to read what I wrote today.  You’ll find it very enlightening, and it’ll show you that not one of the rescue devices you’ve tried to deploy actually hold up to scrutiny.

Proclaimer:  It is basically saying that a day to us is 24 hours or so. A day to him is LIKE a thousand years. Or basically a huge amount of time. Likewise, he can draw out a day to be LIKE a thousand years or a very long period of time.

Limiting him to that Rolex on your wrist seems against everything the bible teaches us about God.

Show us.  F…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Buy a powerful telescope look at the eternal nature of the cosmos.

Also Proclaimer:  …no one is saying this. Only you so far have mentioned this.

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The scriptures tell us that the universe was created (not from eternity) and that it will end (not to eternity).  So no, the universe most certainly does not have an eternal nature.

Anyway, enough pontificating. You have direct questions waiting for direct answers. Chop, chop.

Proclaimer: Buy a powerful telescope look at the eternal nature of the cosmos.

I’ve read about God’s eternal nature, but why do you think the nature of the universe is also eternal?

Mike:  The first three days (before the sun, moon, and stars) were also called “days” and “nights” by God, right?  Those first three days also had a period of light and period of darkness – just like “days” do today, right?

Carmel: MIKE WHAT MAKES YOU SURE THAT THE WORDS “LIGHT” and “DARKNESS” WERE IN ACTUAL FACT ONLY LITERALLY SO?

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Proclaimer, you have claimed that Gen 1:1 is separate from the rest of Genesis, and that the creation of the heaven and the earth were not a part of the events of the first day, but were already in existence before those first day events.  I have one simple question for you:

1.  WHY have you come to that conclusion?  (In other words, what ex…[Read more]

Proclaimer, you have claimed that God merely allowed the lights of the heaven to shine through to the earth on the fourth day.  I have two simple questions for you:

1.  WHY have you come to that conclusion?  (In other words, what exactly leads you to believe such a thing?)

2.  Does scientism allow for vegetation – including fruiting trees – to…[Read more]

Proclaimer, I made this post to you and Gene…

In the post I asked one RHETORICAL question (in the green box) and three very explicit ACTUAL questions (in the red boxes).  As you did yesterday, you “answered” the RHETORICAL question and ignored the ACTUAL questions.  And I put answered in quotations because your “answer” was laughable – b…[Read more]

Carmel:  GOD KNEW LUCIFER’S HEART AND HIS EVENTUAL REBELLION, AND THIS STATE WAS SOMEHOW REFLECTED IN GENESIS 1:1, BUT CAME INTO EFFECT IN GENESIS 1:2

Tell me where I can read this exact thing in the Bible.  (And if you are going to point to a hundred different scriptures, then start with only ONE scripture, and what you think it means and how you…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  God created the heavens and the earth in the beginning.

Yes.  And what day was that?

Proclaimer:  Then the heavenly objects could be seen in the vault. 

Really?  So Genesis 1:1-19 can be summed up with “God created the heaven and the earth and then the stars could be seen”?  Are you sure you’re not leaving a few things out?  &#x1f6…[Read more]