LU:  Who is it that you are agreeing with that thinks that Yahweh and Jesus are two different gods?

I thought I was agreeing with you.  You’ve told me that John 1:1 speaks of two gods – one of whom was with the other.  And you’ve told me that the Father is the unbegotten God who can’t be seen by human eyes, while Jesus is the only begotten god wh…[Read more]

Gene, when Yahovah calls Jesus a god, is he calling Jesus a false god?  Yes or no?

Now please answer my questions from before…

WHY did the Jews accuse Jesus of making himself out to be a god?

WHY didn’t Jesus deny their accusation?

Kathi, that’s a great story about you liking design so much you are thinking about doing it professionally.

I hear what you’re saying about Isaac, and that tracks fine with me.  I have no problem with the “only-begotten” translation of “monogenes”.  I’m cool with Jesus being God’s “only-begotten” son.

But remember, EVERY only-begotten son who h…[Read more]

LU:  Thank you for your apology, I appreciate that you are open to the clarification.

I too believe Yahweh and Jesus are two different gods.  Yahweh is the Most High God of Jesus and all the other gods. And it is Yahweh we are to worship and serve as our God – just like His servant Jesus does.

Btw, I learned all of these things from Jesus himself.

Mike:  HOW LONG WAS EACH DAY OF CREATION IN THE GENESIS ACCOUNT AFTER THE APPEARANCE OF THE SUN ON DAY FOUR?

Proclaimer:  It doesn’t matter if the sun is there or not, a day for God is not like a day for us. Further, the Day of Wrath is not 24 hours and the sun is present. So I cannot tell you exactly how long the day was.  Just that it is not…

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Carmel: Genesis 1:1 DOES NOT MENTION THE SEA, AND ALL  THAT IS IN THEM,

JUST EARTH
AS THERE WAS NO SEA AT ALL! 

THE SEA WAS INTRODUCED ONLY IN THE SIX-DAY CREATION, TEMPORARY TO DISTINGUISH THE GOOD AND THE EVIL PROCESS IN THE WATER!

So in your opinion, the first “perfect earth” didn’t have a sea or dry land?  Odd, since you talk about it havi…[Read more]

Gene:  <span style=”color: #ff0000;”>ALSO , being a son of God does not make you a God. </span>

According to the scriptures, it absolutely positively DOES make you a god.  Gene, go through that list of scriptures I posted for you at the top of the previous page.  Look at all the gods we learn about in the Bible – including Jesus.

Please pick one…[Read more]

Hey Kathi, I just learned something.  I always assumed that the masculine form was used of Ashteroth in 1 Kings 11:33, and that translators just inserted “goddess” because this god appeared as a feminine entity to her worshipers.  I thought the translators were taking liberties.  But apparently, Yahweh actually called “her” by the feminine pl…[Read more]

LU:  Please show me where one god is referred to as the plural “elohim” in the verse that you used.

Here’s Blue Letter Bible…

And here’s NET Bible…

It’s not uncommon in the scriptures.  Here is Yahweh referring to Satan as a god and using the plural form…

Gene: Mike……before you start, why not EXPLAIN what the word “SCIENTISM”  means, I have never heard of the word before you mentioned it here.

Hi Gene,

Just so you know, the Hot Seat thread is a private thread.  Nobody but I and Proclaimer can post there.  I will still be active in this thread, and so if you have any comments or questions a…[Read more]

Hey @Admin

I notice that when I use the @ , it creates a gold link to the member you name… except for the username Proclaimer.  Why would that be?

And just now, I tried to send a private message to “Proclaimer” – but it said I had addressed it to an invalid username.  The message when through when I addressed it to Admin – but not P…[Read more]

Let me help you out, Gene.

Job 1:6… One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Notice that these spirit beings are called sons of God.

Psalm 82:1… God presides over the Assembly of God, and in the midst of the gods He passes judgement.

Notice that here these spirit beings are called…[Read more]

Gene:  Mike……So you now believe what the blind Pharisee’s say? 

Gene, Jesus didn’t DENY their allegation – he explained it.  Now answer my questions…

WHY would the Jews accuse Jesus of claiming to be a god instead of a mere man?  WHAT teachings of Jesus were they basing that conclusion on?  And WHY didn’t Jesus DENY their accusation?

I have just put Proclaimer on The Hot Seat.  It is a private thread between only the two of us where he MUST (by his own rules) DIRECTLY answer my questions  I have asked him the first question.

The Bible Vs Scientism: Which To Believe

Gene:  Mike….what you quoted does not say Jesus was actually in existence before his birth on this earth , but that the plan concerning him did exist…

Gene, listen very carefully this time…

John 10:33… “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be a god.”

Gene, in what wa…[Read more]

Carmel:  I ALREADY MADE IT CLEAR THAT GENESIS 1:1HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH GENESIS 1:3….. AND GENESIS 1:2 IS THE STATE OF THE EARTH AFTER THE EARTH OF GENESIS 1:1 GOT CORRUPTED!

You don’t make things clear for us, Carmel… the scriptures do.  And according to Yahweh Himself, the creation of the heaven and the earth are INCLUDED in the six days of…[Read more]

Carmel: READ AGAIN WHAT I POSTED TO ADAM AND ASK ME SOMETHING,  BY WHICH YOU PROVE THAT IN MY POST THERE’ COULD BE  THE DEVIL’S WORK!

I AM WAITING!

So then your answer is “NOTHING”?  You haven’t tested what the spirit told you against anything?  Hmm…

I have a better idea.  Why don’t YOU show us what the spirit showed you using God’s written w…[Read more]

Proclaimer:  Mike. You are embarrassing yourself again. Do you honestly believe you have me and other globe trotters on the run? That this is a slam dunk. Funny as. Seriously dude. This is not two intellects having an intelligent conversation about earth and the cosmos. Rather, it is someone trying to get the other guy to stop embarrasing…

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Proclaimer: Mike, there are still stoneage cultures today. They hunt and make fire using stone tools and wood. Nothing wrong with that of course. But if they tried to pass off their creation myths as science, then I would have a problem with that.

So then “the Stone Age” isn’t actually a period of time – like you’ve been implying?  And what if…[Read more]