Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2012,20:43)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,11:32)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 07 2012,22:27)Mike,It is more than speculation based on John 21:4 which explicitly states they did not recognize him.Luke 24:15-16King James Version (KJV)15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and…[Read more]

Okay David,What's next?  You'd better hurry up with your point before you end up having to start yet another thread.  (It seems like all of us on HN have the tendency to stray from the topic.  I'm tempted to address Kathi's last point, but will try to restrain myself.)

David,That won't change t8's point that if the spirit that animates man comes FROM God, and returns TO God upon our death, then it would seem this spirit is eternal, like the God it seems to be a part of.Don't you think? Are there any spirits that aren't eternal? Do spirits die of old age?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,19:40)How, logically, does it make Him lesser in the nature of His being?Well, for one, Jesus SAID he was lesser than his God. (Oh, but you'll try the “He said that when he was made lower than the angels” crap, right?  But that statement only proves that you guys flip flop between “Jesus was 100% God on earth”, and…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,19:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,11:15)Are you aware that Jesus has the same exact God that we all have?  YES or NO?Yes  – Yeshua has a God, his Father.Okay, great answer. So, if the God of Jesus is the Father, and Jesus himself says that his God is also OUR God, then it doesn't take a rocket scientist to f…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 08 2012,21:08)Proverbs 8:22“The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;He was brought forth.Proverbs 8:22 NRSV © The LORD created me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of long ago.NET ©The Lord created 1  me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago.Footnote #1…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,20:33)Like I said, Jesus did not believe in a God that created Him like you two. His God was His Father.What? Jesus is the one who plainly said he was the beginning of the creation by God.Where is your SCRIPTURAL support that “Jesus did not believe in a God that created Him”?Kathi, I believe you are stumped on this…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2012,00:29)T8,ego eimi = I am heJohn 18:8King James Version (KJV)8 Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:Kerwin,Do you realize that you just pointed out yet another of the “idiomatic problems” associated with translating ego eimi into English?(Remember Jason BeDunh…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 09 2012,00:19)Mike,What evidence do you have to reveal the Jews meant something different when they stated Jesus was under 50 than a certain passage means when it stated he was about 30?Kerwin,The Jews DIDN'T mean anything different.  They truly thought Jesus was just a normal human being who was less than 50 years old.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 08 2012,20:35)mikelove your above respond

Who is saying Jesus created anything, Ed?God creating all things THROUGH Jesus is not the same as Jesus creating anything.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,06:10)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 07 2012,21:54)Do you realize that, according to scripture, you, me, and Jesus ALL have the SAME EXACT God? YES or NO?No you don't have the same God as Jesus.Are you sure, Kathi? John 20:17I ascend to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.Please explain your answer in…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 09 2012,03:16)Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,19:38)yes the word bible is in the bible. i am 100%^ sure.Hi Jammin,Matt 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.Matthew 1:1 βιβλος γενεσεως ιησου χριστου υιου δαβιδ υιου αβρααμYes, bible is written in the bible.God blessEd JNo Ed,The Greek…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,02:38)one GOD THE FATHERone GOD THE ONLY SONOne plus one equals TWO, jammin. Why are you and Kathi so secretive when it comes to just plainly saying what you believe about God? jammin, are you a Trinitarian who believes our one God consists of three persons? If so, then just say so. If not, then why can't you tell…[Read more]

Okay Ed,I'm caught up. Carry on. (I'm glad you're okay.)

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 08 2012,20:48)I worship one Almighty YHWH Echad, an eternal unity, Mike.And who did Jesus worship as his God, Kathi? When Jesus told us that his God was also our God, who was he talking about? Do you think in John 20:17 he was saying that his God an “Almighty YHWH Echad”? YES or NO?

Can you tell us what's so “nice” about Kathi's worship of two, individual beings who are, in her opinion, BOTH Almighty Gods?You don't even believe that, do you Paul?  But t8 has called this from about 9 months ago.  He said that Kathi would slowly but surely transition into a “traditional Trinitarian” like you, Keith, Jack, and all the others t…[Read more]

Yep.  And neither Buddha, the Dali Lama, nor the Pope can change that fact, no matter WHO they believe that one God is, and no matter WHAT they believe about that one God.He is still the God of ALL CREATION…….. including the beginning of the creation by God, the firstborn of all of God's creation, and the one God created as the first of His…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 07 2012,00:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 06 2012,18:12)1.  Kathi, WHO EXACTLY is the Almighty God of Jesus?2.  Is it possible for two or more beings to share the same or similar titles WITHOUT it meaning that they are a compound unity?  YES or NO?1. YHWH the Father naturally.2. No, not the titles 'First and Last.'1.  That is…[Read more]

There are a lot of people here who argue against it. Kerwin, Gene, Ed, Kathi…………….