Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,21:35)Paul and I agree that the God of Jesus is His Father…………..That's all that matters, Kathi. Don't go adding things into it. If the God of Jesus is the Father, and the God of us is the same as the God of Jesus, then the God of us is also the Father.You can try to bring up the creation thing, but it…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,22:35)An eternal Father would presume the eternal existence of a Son or there would be no eternal 'Father.'What was that scripture again that speaks of the “eternal Father”?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,21:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,14:10)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,20:43)Okay David (and Mike)…..exactly what does Yeshua having His Father as His God prove??If not ontological inferiority – what is the point you are trying make here?Uh, it seems obvious that the Almighty God who created the heavens, the…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,22:21)My God is the Father. I would never say otherwise.So your God is NOT the trinity of Father, Son, and Spirit?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,22:02)Mike – instead of just throwing out baseless assertions DEFINE YOUR TERMS. Prove to us that it logically follows that since Yeshua has His Father as His God He is inferior in His natureNo, no, no, Paul. This is the game YOU like to play. I'm not into the “inferior in nature” stuff, for scripture doesn't speak…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,22:14)Haven't I already answered this? Yes. And what exactly does this prove?Come on Mike, you're better than this.Really Paul? Tonight you have told me that Jesus' God is the Father.Then you just told me that your God is also Jesus' God. That means your God is also the Father.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,21:59)No, you don't have the same God as the disciples and Jesus had. Jesus' God was His Father not His creator. You believe that Jesus' God was His creator.There are at least 8 different scriptures that teach us Jesus is a creation of his God; so the fact that you don't want to accept those scriptures doesn't…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,21:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,14:57)It proves that t8 and I and the disciples all have the same God that Jesus has…………… and you and Kathi have made up your own God.How so?Well Paul, Is YOUR God also Jesus' God?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,21:42)What do you mean by “God is the Father like us”He means that if Kathi says she does have the same God as Jesus, then she'll be admitting that the Father is her God, just as we Jesus proclaim about ourselves.

It proves that t8 and I and the disciples all have the same God that Jesus has…………… and you and Kathi have made up your own God.

Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,20:35)I am just saying that the spirit that a mates man isn't the same as the spirits in heaven (angels). It's not as if we have angels inside of us. Yes, same word is used. That's unfortunate and confusing for some.I'm not confused about the many meanings of spirit in the scriptures. Gene and I discuss them often,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,21:46)The Godhead of Kathi is the God of Jesus and Jesus…together with their Spirit…the YHWH Echad, the eternal unitySo then you have a DIFFERENT God than Jesus has?Hmmm…………  Jesus said our God was also his God.  So I and the disciples and Jesus all have the same God.YOU are apparently not included in J…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 09 2012,21:09)two persons but one nature, GOD.So then YOU have a DIFFERENT God than Jesus has? Jesus said that our God was his God, and surely HIS God isn't a combination of Father and Son in one God, is it? jammin, Jesus was right about ME. I and Jesus DO have the same God.You are not included in Jesus' statement, for YOU…[Read more]

In my first post in the first thread on this subject, I listed a couple of things on which we disagree.

Is the God of Jesus also the God of Kathi? YES or NO?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,20:43)Okay David (and Mike)…..exactly what does Yeshua having His Father as His God prove??If not ontological inferiority – what is the point you are trying make here?Uh, it seems obvious that the Almighty God who created the heavens, the earth, and all things in them wouldn't have a God of His own.If Jesus DOES…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 09 2012,20:20)There's no attempt to define relative “natures” of the Father and Son within a scriptual framewark, and no attempt to link these to the argument you've posited about Yeshua having His Father as His God.try again.I'm not quite sure what any of that means, but it really doesn't matter. It is not I who has to “try…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57)The Pillar of fire and the blinding light to Paul are the same. Scripture please?Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57)Jesus was the God that went before Israel.Scripture please?Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57)It was not an angel that was the Pillar of Fire, it was the LORD.Actually, the pillar was not a…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 08 2012,22:57)Which one of the other saviours mentioned in the Word had been born without sin?Which one was to be called Emanuel (GOD with us).Which one was to be called Mighty God?Which one was to be called everlasting Father?Which one was to be called Prince of Peace?Which one was to be called the Alpha and Omega?Which one…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 08 2012,20:57)And on a side note, no one seems to be providing any solution to this puzzle that makes any kind of sense based on the fact that they “knew it was The Lord.”YOU included, David.Your theory that Jesus was a spirit being who materialized a body they didn't recognize offers the same exact conclusion as God keeping…[Read more]