Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 10 2012,12:39).It wouldn't change my belief in him one little bit, Gene. I've told you all along that I don't have a pre-conceived notion to attend to. The only thing leading me is what the scriptures actually teach.If they taught that God was a triune being, then I'd have no problem believing it. But we know the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 10 2012,06:01)It is either:I was a father before Abraham became a father. orI have been a father longer than Abraham has been a father.It has nothing to do with Jesus or Abraham being fathers, Kerwin.It has to do with “Before Abraham became (CAME INTO BEING), I have been (I HAVE EXISTED)”.I hesitate to even ask where you came…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 10 2012,10:45)WHEN JESUS SPOKE THOSE WORDS HE WAS STILL IN HIS GLORIFIED HUMAN STATE,AND NOT YET FULLY GLORIFIED AS BOTH GOD AND MAN.Oh.  So then Jesus WASN'T really 100% God on earth like you've been claiming all this time?  Because “100% God on earth” would BE God, he wouldn't HAVE a God, right?

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2012,01:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,11:34)Why are you and Kathi so secretive when it comes to just plainly saying what you believe about God?  Why then is it like pulling teeth just to get a direct answer out of you two?   Hi Mike,…………pulling teeth is definitely an under-statement.God blessEd JPaul (Is 1:18) d…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 10 2012,06:38)that is why im always asking you who is that GOD you are referring to.why cant you answer my question mike? is it hard for you? LOLjammin,Dealing with your third grade nonsense is what gets hard for me. I've answered your question MANY times already. Are you ready for the same answer I've already given you?…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 10 2012,01:37)Hi Mike,I really don't care what you choose to believe, but what “I” have given you are THE FACTS!No need to get heated, Ed. Just show me the English translation that has the English word “Bible” in it.(On a side note, do you suppose Matthew was talking about THE Bible in the scripture you quoted?)

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,00:11)Not according to John 20:28.Are you saying that, according to John 20:28, the Father is NOT Thomas' God?

Actually, it's code for, “I've already proved my case.” When are you going to answer Kathi's 6 questions?

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:22)No confusion on my part. With regard to the unoriginal “Jesus has a God”  argument you're pushing – the burden of proof is firmly on the shoulders of the Arian to substantiate the unstated premise that Yeshua is/was a lesser in His being than the Father and that this links in with the aforementioned statement…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,15:42)1.  Does it seem logical to you that the MOST HIGH God would have a God of his own?  YES or NO?Yes – given that He put on humanity (Phil 2:7-8). It would be requirement of the Law He was born under (Galatians 4:4-5) in order for Him to complete the redemptive mission He c…[Read more]

Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,01:00)Ontology is at the core of the argument you've put up, and you MUST know this. If you're not not trying to prove Yeshua is a lower being than the Father by positing it, then exactly what is the point you're driving at? So the burden is on you to corroborate the key premises of your argument.The scriptures don't…[Read more]

My answer to all 6 questions is “TWO theos”.  That is also Kathi's answer.But what is YOUR answer to those questions, Paul?

Quote (david @ Nov. 10 2012,10:56)Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 10 2012,15:24)Yes and my son and I are equivalent in our nature, so subordination does equate to ontological disparity. We've been here before I think.I don't know that the bible discusses “ontological disparity.”  Why not focus on what it does discuss?Paul is a trip.  He is trying d…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 10 2012,05:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 09 2012,23:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2012,22:35)An eternal Father would presume the eternal existence of a Son or there would be no eternal 'Father.'What was that scripture again that speaks of the “eternal Father”?They are both the 'First and the Last.' There is no other…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 10 2012,05:55)Jesus' God was not His creator, so Jesus' God is not your God because your God was Jesus' creator. He can't be both The creator of Jesus and not the creator of Jesus before the ages, Mike.Kathi,Is there only one God who created the heavens, the earth, and everything in them?  YES or NO?If “YES”, then it…[Read more]

All those things you said also fit with God preventing the disciples' eyes from recognizing Jesus – like He did in Luke 24:16.

The Father, of course. Didn't Jesus say that his God was also the God of Thomas?

Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,20:38)They recognized him by the very familiar miracle. Who else would it be?Okay, let's go with that conclusion: The recognized him by the miracle, but not by appearance, because he didn't look like Jesus to them.Now what?Does it prove that he was a spirit being running around LYING to his disciples by saying he…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 09 2012,20:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 10 2012,13:32)Luke 24:32They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”For the 75th Tim, the difference is, in this account, in the very same sentence, we are told they “knew” it was The Lord.  They knew…[Read more]

Taken from the other post in the other thread:Pierre believes the soul of a man is the spirit of a man; I don't.  T8 believes that the word “god” in John 1:1c is qualitative, while I believe just like the NWT puts it:  Jesus was a god who was with THE God in the beginning.  (Although, a being who is “qualitatively man” is equally “a man” – so I do…[Read more]