Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2012,20:25)Correction:Jesus said I and the Father ARE one. Jesus said 'are' not 'is.'Mark 12:29“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.' “The word “is” is the third person SINGULAR in this verse, Kathi.  I don't know of a scripture that says, “Your God ARE one…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,14:26)t8-1. Where does scripture say that the judges were theos?2. Where have men been called theos?3. Where are angels called theos?1. Judges 5:8 NASB © “New gods were chosen; Then war was in the gates. Not a shield or a spear was seen Among forty thousand in Israel.The new gods were Deborah and Barak.2. See…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 16 2012,05:38)T8 and Mike,Please answer this question:Do you agree that the two who are called 'the theos' in scriptures and are together involved in creation, salvation of all mankind, sit together on one throne, whose name has power to heal, who receive all praise honor, glory AND dominion FOREVER and EVER, are one…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2012,19:49)Mike,you asked:Quote Kathi,1.  Is it possible that the Father, BY HIMSELF, is the God of gods and Lord of lords?  2.  Is it possible that Jesus is someone OTHER THAN God Almighty, who is ALSO called by the title “Lord of lords”?  3.  Does the fact that the Father and the Son share a title automatically comb…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2012,19:42)Where doe it say that some of us will also be one 'with' them?John 17:21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.It seems to me that “being one” means Jesus is in God, and God is in Jesus. And his…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2012,19:36)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Kathi, you and I agree that “The Father” is the God of Jesus.  Now, if we and Jesus have the same God, as your Lord said we do, who is our God?But we both don't agree that Jesus' God is His creator, so we do not agree on who is the God of Jesus.Okay Kathi,Just for argument's sake, let's…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2012,19:30)In the Shema, it doesn't say that YHWH is one God. Is says that YHWH our God is YHWH Echad.And what about when Jesus quotes those words?Mark 12:29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.Is there some “secret echad meaning” when Jesus says those w…[Read more]

Pierre and Ed,Please stick to the topic of the thread.

Quote (david @ Nov. 15 2012,22:01)Does mike, Pierre or t 8 disagree with either of these statements?A. Jesus was made/created before everything else. B. Jesus was used to make/create everything else.I agree with “A”. I'm not sure about the wording of “B”.  It seems to imply that Jesus was a “hands on co-creator”, which isn't specifically stated…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 16 2012,19:55)I was just amused when the most quoted scripture in this thread–you seemed like you hadn't read it before.This is what I asked:“As for what Peter wrote, can you show me the scripture where he says Jesus was resurrected in the spirit? I'm not familiar with that one.” I have yet to see such a scripture. The one…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 16 2012,19:36)After the resurrection, Jesus is said to have been “appearing” all over the place.  I suppose that could mean that Jesus was appearing and disappearing all the time.  It does seem to fit with the rest of the account.   Ok.  I concede that Phillip was a spirit.  🙂Or more logically, that “appearing” isn't nece…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 15 2012,21:02)Instead of creating the argument that I believe Jesus lied, you are better off to prove to me that pneuma can not mean and logically wouldn't mean “apparition.”Is it your understanding that “apparitions” don't have flesh and bone, but “spirits” do?   The bottom line is that Jesus DID HAVE flesh and bone at the…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 15 2012,20:58)New International Version (©1984)For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,“As for what Peter wrote, can you show me the scripture where he says Jesus was resurrected in the spirit?  I'm not familiar w…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 15 2012,20:52)Looking at my own post, it could just as easily be asked;. If he was a spirit, where was he during this time?

Quote (david @ Nov. 15 2012,20:45)Do people generally believe that Philip vanished?I've always understood that he was “transported” through space and time, due to the wording.  I can't speak for anyone else.Acts 8 NIV39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but…[Read more]

So Jesus IS called a god in your AKJV?

Kathi,You've showed me posts from this guy before.  Why do you suppose what HE says doesn't align with what the Aramaic experts of FOUR DIFFERENT dictionaries say?Do you think it might be because he, like you, is trying hard to FORCE Jesus into being God Almighty?  I do.  Your man said, “If MRYA is not the Emphatic of MRA (and it isn't), then wh…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2012,04:14)Why do you think Jesus is God now?What do you mean by “now”?I don't think Jesus is “God”, as in THE God Jehovah. I KNOW Jesus is a god, because he is called such in many scriptures. And I suppose he has been a god (powerful spirit being) since his own God begot him as the first of His works.

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 14 2012,04:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2012,13:16)Do you suppose Isaiah 9:6 is speaking about a DIFFERENT mighty god who was to be born of a virgin?Hi Mike,1) “God” would not be the correct rendering here.Doesn't your AKJV said “god” in that verse?

Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 13 2012,22:34)You would be able to believe and would want to line up with God's Prophets.You mean like Micah?Micah 52 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,    though you are small among the clans of Judah,out of you will come for me    one who will be ruler over Israel,whose origins are from of old,    from ancient times.”4 He wil…[Read more]