Quote (david @ Nov. 30 2012,20:36)WAKEUP raises a good point.  Would the holy spirit be helping out a group that has Bible interpretation if that interpretation or understanding of scripture is wrong?  jW teach what they believe. If as some suggest, what they believe is wrong, then would Holy Spirit be helping them out, directing them to ones w…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2012,20:46)Kathi, is the Father a Lord of other lords?  YES or NO?Could you provide a specific Biblical context for your question and then I will answer that?How about Rev 15:3-4?In that passage, the Lamb calls Jehovah “Lord” twice.  Is the Lamb not a Lord himself?  And is Je…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:43)Is the church not one in the Father and the Son?The words are “one WITH”, not “one IN”. Try it with the right words.

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:42)Mike,This is very good…you said:Quote I do admit that the God of gods sent the Lord of lords into the world.Now, do you admit that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent, are one?Kathi,I'm not going to play your game. Like t8 and I have already pointed out, we could do the very same…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:40)Well the Christian's God is the Father with the Son together with the Holy Spirit but Jesus' God is the Father whom He is God with together with the Holy Spirit.So then the disciples of Jesus were not “Christians”?  Because it is they to whom he referred when he said “I go to my God and your God”.Quote…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,15:19)YHWH made Moses AS God to Aaron, YHWH did not make Moses a god to Aaron. Moses was metaphorically like God, not literally.You can ADD the word “as” into the Hebrew of Exodus 4:16 if it helps you to win your argument………… but that word isn't there.  This is just another case of men trying to “protect…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,13:07)I do believe that in other passages the messenger is called YHWH, I don't know that this incident with Manoah is clear teaching that the messenger is actually called God or just thought of as God by a man who doesn't seem to be too clear on the matter.That sounds like “fast talking” to me, Kathi.  It's clear…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 28 2012,12:36)Exodus 18:12And Jethro, Moses’ father-in-law, brought a burnt offering and sacrifices to God; and Aaron came with all the elders of Israel to eat bread with Moses’ father-in-law before God.So, in what manner were the burnt offering and sacrifices brought to God in the above passage before the tent of mee…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 30 2012,02:31)what i know mike is ONE GOD refers to the unity.So then Jesus is the Son of the unity?jammin, this is silly. It is abundantly clear that you WANT the scriptures to say Jesus is the Son of “the Father PART of the Godhead”. But that's not what they say. They say he is the Son of the Most High GOD – not just “the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 30 2012,15:03)In God’s case, He made it clear that He would administer both HEAVEN AND EARTH through His Son, for the simple reason that He purposely created entirely all creation through Him, and by him in order to be its heir. THEREFORE ITS GOD. THE TRUE VISIBLE GOD.Read your own words, Charles.”In God's c…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 30 2012,14:33)JESUS CONFIRMED THAT HE WAS FULLY GLORIFIED IN HIS GOD  AND OUR GOD,SINCE HE GAVE THEM THE HOLY GHOST!!!What do you mean by “glorified IN our God and his God”? If Jesus IS our God, what does it mean that he is “glorified in our God”?And more importantly, if Jesus IS God Almighty, what does it mean for him to be…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Nov. 30 2012,14:03)SO THE EARLIEST THAT JESUS SPOKE TO HER WAS 4.00.Okay Charles,Your timelines sound reasonable to me. Now what? At 3:00 in the morning, Jesus “raised himself” from the grave and then had to go to HIS OWN GOD to be glorified?Please continue……………

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 30 2012,17:17)what is it that scripture says it says that the son is BORN ;MEANS CAME OUT OF A WOMEN , and that that women was an descendante of KING DAVID ACCORDING TO THE FLESH ,Hi Pierre,I see your point. You are saying that scripture teaches Jesus was BORN of Mary. It does not SPECIFICALLY say he is of her genes.But…[Read more]

Quote (Marlin1 @ Nov. 29 2012,23:56)Everything was made by GOD, through His LOGOS, which of course is STILL HIM, He in His theophany was know as the Son of God.Did you read what I wrote about 1 John 1? This particular “word of life” was seen by human eyes, and touched by human hands.Has any man ever seen God, Marlin? Has any man ever seen Jesus?…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2012,22:54)But, I would think that neither of you believe GOd is working through JW's.Why would you think that?  I don't agree with every JW interpretation of scripture, but “whoever is not against us is for us.” (Mark 9:38-41)

Quote (jammin @ Nov. 28 2012,18:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 28 2012,11:48)Scriptures say Jesus is the Son of God Almighty – not that he IS God Almighty.who is that God mike??I don't understand the question, jammin. If you and I agree that there exists only ONE Almighty God, then how can you ask me WHICH ONE I'm asking about? jammin, there is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2012,07:43)Mike even if you believe it is talking about the creation in Genies what does it say.Gene,I never said John 1:1 was talking about the creation in Genesis. I was merely pointing out to you that the word “THE” is not present before the word “beginning” in John 1:1.I was correcting your inaccurate…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 29 2012,00:31)And so, like mike, I hold out that a small percentage could be real. At the very least, you have to admit that if these things do happen, they are exceedingly rare.Ahhhh……………… peace at last! So, that being said, you really have no idea if t8's glass was raised by a demon. You THINK it wasn't a…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2012,21:06)And again, if anyone should be ashamed, it should be you for so badly misrepresenting what I actually said.When someone misquotes someone so badly, I tend to lose some respect for them as being an honest person with them self.You keep telling yourself those lies if it makes you feel better about yourself,…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Nov. 27 2012,20:39)Mike? what do you think? Are these miracles?Yes David. I would categorize them as miracles. Luke 15:7I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.If these “coincidences” lead a person to God…[Read more]