Quote (2besee @ Dec. 06 2012,03:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2012,12:56)2B, all I want you to realize, first and foremost, is that Jesus is called a god in scripture, which means Jehovah is NOT literally the only god in existence.  Are we now agreed on this scriptural fact?I don't see what your point is.Hi 2B,You believe that Jesus is a god,…[Read more]

Agreed, Pierre. We must let God and the scriptures guide US. We don't have the authority to decide for ourselves what the scriptures SHOULD teach.If scripture says Jesus had glory alongside his God before the world began, then we must believe that.If scripture says Jesus is the Son of God, then we must not FORCE that into the asinine and…[Read more]

These were from a post you overlooked:1. Well Kathi? WERE the original disciples of Jesus Christians or not?2. And DO you worship “God Almighty the Servant of God Almighty” along with worshiping “God Almighty the Master of God Almighty the Servant of God Almighty”?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:58)Mike,I have the NT to show that Jesus is the Lord of lords and our one Lord with the Father who is our one God.  According to your logic, the Son could be alone the God of gods and the Lord of lords. 1 Cor 8:6 confirms that there are two who are meant, and they are one.Kathi, after all this time, you are now…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:55)All you have 'painstakingly' explained is that being one in them is the same as being one with them. However in the post that I quoted you said that disciples are not one 'in' them.Is Jesus one “IN” the Father? Or is he one “WITH” the Father?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,17:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:37)Do you deny that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are one? Yes or No?Yes.  Now what?  Mike,Are you asking me or your conscious?You. I was assuming you were about to tell me how all this proves Jesus i…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:47)Where does Pharaoh call Moses 'a god?'  It was JEHOVAH who said he would make Moses a god to Pharaoh.  I was pointing out that, FROM PHARAOH'S VANTAGE POINT AND RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, seeing the signs and wonders “Moses” did, he most likely DID consider Moses to be a god.  Especially when Moses said, By this yo…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)I understand that demons are false gods.Where in scripture are they called “false” gods?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)Mike,Do you have something that clearly says demons are fallen angels? Do you have something that clearly says Beelzebub is satan?How about this passage?Mark 3 22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, “He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons.” 23…[Read more]

Also guys, could you point out any of the claims I listed on the first post of this thread that are wrong?If not, perhaps you both should take a good, long look at that list and recongnize who Jesus actually claimed to be. (Note that all of the things he claimed positioned him as someone OTHER THAN God. Can you deny this?)

Quote (Marlin1 @ Dec. 01 2012,22:47)Brother Mike,I have read through this link of yours and have found most of it very disturbing.Here is Why,  because most came against Kathi the trinity person.Yeah, that's how we roll on Heaven Net, Marlin.  If someone comes in talking unscriptural smack, we take the gloves off and let them have it.  In all th…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 02 2012,02:44)Mike,Please believe I did not write this with you in mind (though if I made a list I'm sure you would have been on it ). I feel compelled to remind myself and others not to take disagreements personally, to keep a loving attitude and an open mind, I believe truth will win out and those from the sidelines…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 03 2012,22:56)After all of the verses which I have shown you (and they were only a few, I could find more) which support the fact that only one God created the world… do you not have more verses to show your belief that there were two Gods creating the world – when scriptures show otherwise? I have never stated that more…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2012,22:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2012,12:19)2B, Well, God-given common sense should tell ANYONE that “God” cannot be WITH “God”.  That should be anyone's first clue.  Hi Mike,Is your spirit not in fact “with you” now?When you are dead, they will say “Mike is dead”.But will your spirit still be there, in what they say i…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 04 2012,02:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2012,13:49)Quote (jammin @ Dec. 01 2012,21:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,12:30)There is but ONE Most High God, jammin.  Jesus either IS that God, or he is the Son of that God.  Let the scriptures teach you which one is correct.And never forget on your scriptural journey that o…[Read more]

Pretty heavy stuff for a layperson such as myself, t8. But also very interesting and enlightening.

Hi Marlin,I will get back to you, hopefully the day after tomorrow. (I've been very busy with work and my 11 year old son.)

Quote (Richtuner @ Dec. 03 2012,18:01)…………you can not just take on a scripture or set of them in one place and know enough about it and build a foundation or upon the foundation of a thing.Hi Rich,I agree.  The point of the thread was that Jesus' answer in verse 25 was, Just who I've been saying all along.The question is:  Well, just w…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 01 2012,21:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,12:30)There is but ONE Most High God, jammin.  Jesus either IS that God, or he is the Son of that God.  Let the scriptures teach you which one is correct.And never forget on your scriptural journey that our God is also the God of Jesus.  Our BROTHER Jesus has given us the right to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 03 2012,08:39)Are we in agreement on these thing Mike?We agree that God was in Jesus, doing the works. And we agree that God spoke through His servant Jesus Christ.