Quote (2besee @ Dec. 07 2012,06:30)because in or at –(en, ἐν, in, on, at, by, with, among)himwere createdall thingsin the heavensAnd what does it mean to say that God created all things in heaven “IN”, or “AT” Jesus?Quote (2besee @ Dec. 07 2012,06:30)all thingson account of – (dia, διά, through, on account of, because of)himandforhimhave been…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 06 2012,19:24)your answer to 1 means you have TWO LORDS. but paul said ONLY ONE LORD, Christ.Paul also said this:Ephesians 6:5Slaves, obey your earthly lords with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.But wait………. didn't he say Christ was our “ONE” Lord?Paul also said this:1…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 06 2012,04:54)Quote In fact, Jesus said (in effect), The scriptures in which you think you'll find eternal life are the VERY SCRIPTURES THAT TEACH YOU ALL ABOUT ME!   Am I so different if I tell Kathi, The Lord you try to make into your God is the VERY LORD WHO TOLD US THAT OUR GOD WAS ALSO HIS GOD!I don't know, unlike…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 06 2012,02:16)What I am saying is that if JW doctrine has you convinced that there are no gifts of the spirit and that demons do not work in man as we see in the New Testament, then you are forced to deny any instance of either.t8,Perhaps you missed it in David's long posts, but he has repeatedly tried to tell you that the JWs DO…[Read more]

Pierre,Why would you say the JWs had “nothing to do with it”, if they were the ones who came calling and led that person to Jehovah?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,15:40)Matt 28:18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Did you see the words 'has been?' They are not 'will be.'Do YOU see the words “GIVEN TO ME”? God Almighty doesn't need anyone to GIVE Him anything. (Notice also that Jesus doesn't say “RETURNED TO ME” – a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,09:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:17)1.  WERE the original disciples of Jesus Christians or not?2.  And DO you worship “God Almighty the Servant of God Almighty” along with worshiping “God Almighty the Master of God Almighty the Servant of God Almighty”?Mike,1. Yes, the disciples of Jesus were Christians.  …[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,09:02)Wrong! 1 Cor 8:6 clearly shows one as God and one as Lord, not one as both God and Lord.EXACTLY! ! !  ONE is God, Kathi.  The other is the one that God MADE our Lord.  He wasn't “Lord” from eternity, or it could never be said that God MADE him Lord.Also, this is just a diversion away from the REAL point, wh…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,08:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:55)All you have 'painstakingly' explained is that being one in them is the same as being one with them. However in the post that I quoted you said that disciples are not one 'in' them.Is Jesus one “IN” the Father?  Or is he one “WITH”…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,08:57)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,20:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2012,17:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 01 2012,14:37)Do you deny that the God of gods and the Lord of lords that the God of gods sent are one? Yes or No?Yes.  Now what?  Mike,Are you asking me or your c…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,08:55)Do you see how deceitful that was? Did you intend to be deceitful? So, you can't really show me where Pharaoh called Moses by the name 'God' can you?I often post only the part of the scripture that is pertinent to the discussion, Kathi.  There is no deceit in doing so.  In fact, I just posted partial s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,08:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2012,19:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 02 2012,12:38)I understand that demons are false gods.Where in scripture are they called “false” gods?What does it matter if the words are used specifically? If you believe they are true Gods then you have a dilemma on your hands don't you?Why?…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,08:24)From what I am learning about demons, they are the disembodied spirits of the nephilim.That very well could be.  Enoch says their FLESH would be destroyed in the flood, along with most of mankind.Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 06 2012,08:24)Regarding Job 1:6…the 'sons of elohim' are created celestial…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 06 2012,02:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2012,09:59)1.  Do you suppose that you'll ever be a BROTHER to God Almighty?  YES or NO?2.  Do you agree with Paul that for us, the Father IS our one God?  YES or NO?3.  Do you agree with Jesus that he and we both have the same God?  YES or NO?1. yes2. yes, one father GOD. 3. yes[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 06 2012,00:14)Your mentality is in a complete MESS!!!  Okay Charles.  Then let's just leave it alone for now.  If we talk more in the future, please limit your posts to me to a sentence or two.  (That's about as far into your posts that I usually read anyway.)peace,mike

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 06 2012,01:44)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)This particular Word from John 1:1 became flesh, and dwelled among us with the glory of God's only begotten Son. Yes.Well then, doesn't it stand to reason that the Word who became flesh WAS the only begotten Son of God?Who else would have that glory, except the real thing?

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 06 2012,01:44)Too many people twist Paul's words…………..I will skip instead to Hebrews……….by whom also he made the  ages (*aionos)……….Hebrews 1:2 NET…….through whom he created the world. 2Footnote #2 says:Greek: “the ages.” The temporal (ages) came to be used of the spatial (what exists in those time peri…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 06 2012,01:44)If no-one else knows his name, does that mean God does not know his name?Of course not, 2B.Revelation 2:17I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.Does that mean God won't know the names of these people?Or does it mean that these people ARE God? You have…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 06 2012,01:44)What was in him was the Word of God………….I knew we'd get to this point sooner or later, 2B.  Why?  Because I've already been down this road with Ed and Gene a bunch of times.  Notice the word “in”, that you used in your statement above.  And then answer one simple question:Does John 1:14 say the Word BECAME…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 06 2012,01:44)…….and as scripture says, that word and spirit is a part of God and IS God.No scripture ever makes such an asinine claim as that, 2B. Please read my last post to Ed J (7th post on the previous page).  Things that are OF a person are not also that person.  For example, my spirit is with me, but you cannot l…[Read more]