Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2012,08:50)Mike………..Look up the meaning of (became) and you will find it means “came to be”………………….Yes Gene,I agree that “became” can also be worded “came to be”.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2012,08:50) …….now what came to be in the flesh man Jesus at the Jordan river?  Oops, there it goes…[Read more]

Kathi,Do you agree with the Trinitarian's claim that being “one” with God means Jesus is a second PERSON in the one BEING of God Almighty? Do you agree with the Oneness claim that it means Jesus actually IS the Father God?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:54)Quote But for us sane people, it means “one in purpose”.The oneness that Jesus speaks of gets Him accused of blasphemy and eventually crucified because He is making Himself out to be God.John 10 30“I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you m…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:17)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2012,23:38)How can God make Jesus LORD?Exactly! One has to always exist to be given that name. Hint, hint…the mystery is unfolding before your eyes.Kathi,In which scripture can I read the claim you just made to t8?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2012,18:35)It was Jesus who told us that our God was also his God.I have never said anything to the contrary of God's word on this.Why do you lie?So then you agree with me and Jesus that all three of us have the same God?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:22)Mike,A perfect example of God giving the words through Moses to Aaron showing that they are God's words and not Moses' own words.Read and learn.Oh, you mean like Jesus speaking, not of his own initiative, but ONLY what his God and our God had TOLD him to speak?Read and learn.

Hi 2B,I realize you are busy.  When you get the chance, please address the following post from Dec 8th, so we can then move on down the line of John 1………………….John 1:12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—What name is it we are to believe in to become children of…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2012,19:22)Mikethis is so true ,and I know for i lived the experience ,I will not relive that again ,stay with what is of God ,Amen, Pierre.

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 10 2012,01:58) sis kathi is right. JESUS is YHWH.the father is alo YHWHShe is?  So then you agree with her that there exists TWO DIFFERENT Almighty Gods, who rule together as a unity?Quote (jammin @ Dec. 10 2012,01:58)is the father not KURIOS?Yes, the Father is “the kurios of heaven and earth”, according to His holy servant…[Read more]

Well jammin,Even the TRINITARIAN scholars agree that “a god” is a possible translation of John 1:1.And your “sis” Kathi also agrees with me that 1:1 speaks of TWO theos, one of whom was with the other in the beginning.And the TRINITARIAN scholars of NETNotes conclude the same thing, saying, The construction in John 1:1c does not equate the Word…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2012,23:38)Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.”Would Jesus lie? No. I agree with Jesus.I agree with Jesus too, Kathi. But being one with the Father can have SO MANY different meanings, can't it?For example, the Trinitarians claim it means Jesus and his God are the same exact BEING, but different PERSONS.For you, it…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 10 2012,21:08)If I go for the Combo, I might as well upgrade that to a large lie while I am at it.Yeah, that's the #3 Combo, otherwise known as the Trinity Combo.It comes with three sides, but they're all lumped into one.

Quote (david @ Dec. 10 2012,23:27)It seems I have no reason to fear demons.  It seems they can not touch me.  It seems I am impervious to them showing any interest in me.  I could duct tape 10 ouija boards to my body for a year, it wouldn't matter.David,Continue to believe they don't exist if you want to.  Just PLEASE don't taunt them into pro…[Read more]

Oh, and when the Word became flesh, whose glory did he have?

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 10 2012,18:21)The Holy Spirit came here and was in the annointed man Jesus.There goes your added word “IN” again, 2B. 1:14 says the Word BECAME flesh.It does NOT say the Word came to be IN someone who was already flesh.You're changing the teaching.

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 10 2012,15:46)I was just looking at this verse:'And now glorify me you Father with yourself with the glory which I had before the world was with you'The word 'tē' has been translated as 'with the' when it should be simply 'the', And 'eichon' which was transated as 'I had' should be 'I have', And 'einai' was translated as 'was'…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 10 2012,14:12)If you had of said that it can ONLY mean Plan, then you could say that we distort given your own thought process, (you would still be wrong though), but the fact that you said IMPLY, means that the primary meaning WITH is also very possible.Excellent point, t8.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 10 2012,09:28)T8……….Problem is when you reword a text you are not keeping the meaning in tact as you falsely assume you are brother.You mean like when YOU add the word “IN” into John 1:14? Gene, “alongside” IS one of the many translations of the Greek word “para”. Nobody is making anything up here.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 10 2012,09:21)Mike………The word “With” can imply a Plan or thought………….How in the world does, “Jesus was WITH God before the world began” imply a plan or a thought?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 09 2012,21:10)Mike,I looked at Romans 5:12. I don't know enough Greek to understand why there is an indirect neuter pronoun used at all.But you acknowledge that a SINGULAR relative pronoun is used with a PLURAL noun and a PLURAL verb?