Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,23:47)Mike,You may have one god but it isn't the God of Jesus. Jesus' God is not His creator.What does that mean exactly, Kathi?  Is this point about Jesus being created all you have to “refute” my statement?Jesus has one God, right?  And that one God is the Father, right?  Well, the Father is also MY one God.  S…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,07:16)The fact that the Son was begotten before the ages does not indicate a beginning of existence.That's about as laughable as the quote from the Athanasian Creed I posted for you in the other thread.He's God, and he's God, and he's God, yet there aren't three Gods, but only One.   WHAT?    Where I come from, 1+…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 13 2012,09:02)Mike, Mike, Mike, ……….So have you ever seen a WORD Become FLESH is that possible are your words FleshI've never actually seen God or Jesus either.  Should we just assume that they don't exist because we haven't personally seen them?Besides, Jesus is called “the Word of God” because he is God's main…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 13 2012,08:30)the Fact is, GOD and His words are one and the Same thing.Did you try my test, Gene?Here's one for you:Act 12:24 But the word of God kept on increasing and multiplying.YOUR VERSION would go like this:  God kept on increasing and multiplying.Does that work for you, Gene?  Is the word of God REALLY God H…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 13 2012,13:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,12:59)……the head of Christ is God.Mike,That statement, is a proof that JESUS IS GOD IN FLESH!!!Peace and love in JesusCharlesActually Charles,It's proof that our one and only God is the “boss” of Jesus, like Jesus is the “boss” of us.

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 13 2012,00:08)is christ lord or Lord according to paul in 1 cor 8.6>?Another moot point, jammin.It is thought that the original Greek scriptures were written in all caps. That means Paul wrote KURIOS when speaking about our Lord Jesus.But then, he also wrote KURIOS in all caps when speaking of earthly masters too.

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 13 2012,00:09)who is the head of the woman? are they not both HUMAN>?And who, according to 1 Cor 11:3, is the head of man? Does that mean human beings and “God the Son” have the same nature?Your question is a moot point.

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,13:16)So, if Jesus made Himself out to be a god…who is He making Himself out to be a god of, Mike?Nobody, Kathi.  Actually, Jesus was simply claiming the truth – that he was the only begotten Son of God.  The rest of it was inplied by the Jews, who most likely figured that the Son of God would naturally be a god h…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,13:12)Mike,I don't believe that the Trinitarian's claim that being 'one' with God means that Jesus is a second person in the one being of God Almighty. They believe in a unity of three eternal persons in an almighty Godhead. I believe in two persons and their spirit in an eternal God unity.You should know that I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,07:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,17:39)So then you agree with me and Jesus that all three of us have the same God?Your 'God' is Jesus' creator before the ages.My God is Jesus Father before the ages AND Jesus…………You've really said a mouthful this time, Kathi.  You have just admitted that your “God” is…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,07:35)Mike,Moses passed on God's words.Jesus speaks His and the Father's word. They are united in what they say and do. They act and speak as one God.John 8:28So Jesus said……… I do nothing on my own, but speak just what the Father has taught me.John 12:49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who…[Read more]

Marlin? Rich?I'm still waiting for that one scripture where Jesus, in his own words, claimed either to be God, or to be equal to God.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 09 2012,10:02)If you believe the Father was in Jesus then the Father who is God was in the World.So Gene,What happened when Jesus prayed to God in heaven? Did the Father cease to be in Jesus during those prayers? Did He desert Jesus, and fly back to heaven to receive Jesus' prayers?Walk me through it.

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 11 2012,20:23)I am done on thisAmen again! David, I believe in the existence of demons, and that they play an active part in the affairs of human beings – just like they did when Jesus walked the earth.You don't believe that.I won't even change your mind with my words, and you'll never change my mind by continuing to…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 12 2012,18:18)therefore you have two KURIOSpaul said only one, Christ. if i will follow your argument, that will be the result of your argument.Yes jammin.You have spoken correctly, for that truly IS the result of my argument.I have more than one lord – just like the slaves Paul spoke to in Eph 6:5 have more than one lord. Are…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 12 2012,18:19)who is the head of a woman? does it mean that they are not both HUMAN? you logic is non sense boy LOLAnd who did God appoint as head over all things that swim in the sea? Does that mean human beings and fish have the same nature?

Go to school, Mike.  You talk too much, Mike.Really jammin?  Is THAT your way of addressing the points I just made?    Quote (jammin @ Dec. 12 2012,18:22)if your NWT believes that the right translation is a god in john 1.1, they should also said in john 20.28 that he is god and not God. The JWs don't believe Thomas was calling Jesus “my God”.  Th…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2012,18:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 10 2012,23:09)I kill and I make aliveJohn 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;John 6:57Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:39)Show me anywhere in the Bible that says the Father is the God of gods and the Lord of lords with both titles in the same verse as well as the word 'Father.'Okay jammin Jr.!    Kathi, do you agree that the Father is a God of other gods?  Do you agree that the Father is a Lord of other lords?Then why wouldn't De…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2012,09:12)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 12 2012,16:12)The Word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)EDJ……….Well put brother,  For indeed the Spirit of God and his words are one and the same.Gene,  I would like to make two points:1.  Consider the context of…[Read more]