Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 15 2012,23:16)Marty,Believers are one flock…the Father and the Son are united as shepherds of the flock. The flock is not made up of the Father and the Son and the believers. What the believer's are one as (the flock) is different than what the Father and Son are one as (the shepherds). Yet, both groups are one (unity)…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2012,22:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 15 2012,10:35)Mike,You askedQuote Lame.  Does 1 man + 1 man = 1 man, Kathi?  If not, then your example doesn't match the words of Athanasius, and is therefore USELESS as a rebuttal to the point I just made.Many men + many men can = 1 manEph 213But now in Christ Jesus you who once w…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 16 2012,03:44)But if God made Jesus LORD, (as you say), then that is actually impossible because you cannot make someone anything if they are already that thing for all eternity.This demonstrates your faulty reasoning and again you have been caught out.Snapped LU.Oh snap, indeed.  

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,22:59)Beforehand, the Son gave YHWH's Word to man, not as a man but as one that His audience considered to be YHWH.Okay,First, those words don't match these words that you already posted:Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,23:55) …what He said were the very words from His Father that His audience considered their…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2012,22:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 15 2012,05:23)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2012,15:58)Mikedid you change color Nope.  I'm still a lightly tanned caucasian male.         No Pierre, I'm still using the same purple.  (I understand it's the color of royalty!        )

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,22:46)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 14 2012,18:04)I only want you to acknowledge the fact that JESUS said his God was also our God, and that YOU'VE created for yourself ANOTHER God to add to the One Jesus already said was both our God and his God.I want you to acknowledge this fact, because I hope that in doing so, you…[Read more]

Charles,I didn't see anything in your latest post that I didn't already address in the previous one.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 15 2012,09:13) common sense would tell you John would have written the Name Jesus there if he meant Jesus. Gene,Did John write “Jesus” in Rev 19:13? NO. That shoots your point down, so there's really no need for you to ever make this point again, is there?In fact, MANY scriptures, in the OT and the NT speak ABOUT…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 13 2012,20:12)Mike, I can point out a million instances of “fraud and villainy.”Cool. Then let's dedicate this thread to posting videos of magic acts, and you can tell us all how they're done.

Quote (david @ Dec. 13 2012,20:20)Mike, do these instances of demon weirdness ever happen around atheists, or people who don't believe that they happen?Have you never watched a horror film, David?  Do the evil demons just go after Christians in those films?Is it only Christians who go to see those movies?  Is it only Christians who are so f…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,23:16)I don't see the word 'being' in the Athanasian Creed.Then ask the people at your Trinitarian church if they think God is one BEING, Kathi.  Ask your pastors.  I've already clarified this with both Keith and Jack.  And YES, they both readily admit that, as Trinitarians, they believe God is one BEING.(Don't yo…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 14 2012,12:05)1.  Also do you really believe that the man is the boss of the woman ?2.  Or Jesus is the boss only of the man?1.  Absolutely.  In earlier Biblical times, the man actually OWNED the woman as PROPERTY, Charles.  Read some of the other things Paul wrote about men versus woman, ie:  Woman should not speak in churc…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 14 2012,02:36)if i will follow your argument, all god should be GODtherefore they are like the fatherYes jammin,In the earliest Greek mss, all gods were called “THEOS” – in all capital letters.Later, in the “miniscules”, the copyists switched from all caps to all lower case letters.There exists no Greek mss where only certain…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 14 2012,02:37)who is the head of the woman? are they not both HUMAN?Man is the head of woman. And yes, men and women are both human beings who share the same nature.Now answer mine:Who is the head of man? Does man share the same nature as our head?

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,00:06)Also, Mike, don't compare Jesus, who is 'the theos' who was brought forth before the ages, and was not a man that was brought forth before the ages as if He was a man brought forth before the ages. You compare apples to oranges. You never learn…always repeat your foolishness.Okay then.  Help me to learn,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,00:06)1 man + 1 woman = 1 flesh.That is 1 + 1 = 1In your view, that must be 2, not 1. You go argue with God about it, not me. Lame.  Does 1 man + 1 man = 1 man, Kathi?  If not, then your example doesn't match the words of Athanasius, and is therefore USELESS as a rebuttal to the point I just made.Quote (Lightenup @…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 14 2012,09:17)………a Word is not a Physical thing at all and could never actually be FLESH.The following is from James Bruce, in his book Travels to Discover the Source of the Nile in 1768:There is an officer, named Kal Hatzè, who stands always upon steps at the side of the lattice-window, where there is a hole…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 14 2012,09:17)Mike………..My how you go through every twist and turn to hold on the false teachings you Preexistences believe in.Gene, did you do the test?Acts 12:24 But the word of God kept on increasing and multiplying.Is “the word OF God” actually God Himself, Gene?  Does the scripture above teach us that God…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 14 2012,15:58)Mikedid you change color Nope. I'm still a lightly tanned caucasian male.

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,23:55)Jesus was not making a teaching that He was some sort of puppet………Who said “puppet”?    The fact is that God spoke to us in many ways in the past.  And most recently, God has spoken to us through His Son, Jesus Christ.  Jesus isn't the God who was doing the speaking, but the spokesman who came to us to…[Read more]