Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2012,00:21)Their use of one 'being' is to be understood of in the corporate sense, Mike.Like I just said before, the saints are never said to be “one BEING” – so your comparison is lacking.And, are you seriously claiming that the Trinitarians believe God Almighty is THREE separate BEINGS, who are only one being in the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2012,00:14)Mike,Each time you see the word “God” in John 5:18 there is a definite article with it in the Greek.John 5:18For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.The Jews…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2012,23:50)If two are in complete unity, they cooperate together to accomplish the rule over whatever is under their authority (if anything is under their authority), they speak and act in agreement with a common purpose and aren't divided on issues.Would you say that seems like a reasonable statement, Mike?Absolutely, I…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2012,23:50)The disciples are not one AS them but IN them.Read John 17:21, two posts above this one.

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2012,23:39)God is made up of more than one being but in the corporate sense He is one being.The church is made up of more than one body but in the corporate sense, the church is one body.I don't believe you'll find any Trinitarian or early church father support that God is “made up of more than one being”, but let's…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 21 2012,00:01)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 19 2012,18:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 11 2012,19:38)Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.”Would Jesus lie? No. I agree with Jesus.And Jesus never lied when he said we can be one too.How convenient to forget that he said that too.We can be 'one' as believers. They are 'one' as who the…[Read more]

The word translated as “HE” is translated such because it was written in the Greek singular MASCULINE form. For the word to be “IT”, it would need to be written in the Greek NEUTER form. But it was written in the MASCULINE form, not the NEUTER form. That is why it is translated into English as “HE”. The English translators are simply following…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 21 2012,04:53)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)On the other hand, to add the word “IN” into Paul's statement, making it say “the first Adam CAME TO BE IN a living being”, or “the last Adam CAME TO BE IN a life-giving spirit” – would completely change the meaning of the teaching.Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 21 2012,03:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2012,14:30)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2012,04:51)Origen wrote in the early 200′s A.D and was well versed in the finer points of Koine Greek.“We next notice John’s use of the article in these sentences. He does not write without care in this respect, nor is he unfamiliar with the niceties of…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 21 2012,03:31)You have to put together all of the scriptures and I have given you scriptures from the OT which show you that only one God created it all through his own word and his own spirit.Truer words have not been spoken, 2B. We must put ALL of the scriptures together, like Rev 19:13, where it is clear to all that the…[Read more]

It's the 22nd in America, and all is well……….. so far.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 21 2012,11:05)Mike………..That light was coming into the world, it was not there yet but Jesus was there right. so when did it come into the world ?John 6:14  Young's Literal TranslationThe men, then, having seen the sign that Jesus did, said — 'This is truly the Prophet, who is coming to the world;'John 11:27…[Read more]

Okay guys,It seems like Kerwin, Gene, and 2B are all running off in different directions, doing anything they can to AVOID addressing my posts. The answer lies in the words of John, chapter 1. I now see we will have to get to these answers verse by verse. So, here we go again, but much slower…………………John 1:1In the beginning was the…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 22 2012,00:13)SO AS YOU CAN READ, THERE ARE TWO THRONES NEXT TO EACH OTHER. ONE FOR THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST!!!I'm aware there are TWO thrones, Charles.  One is for the only true God, Jehovah.  And the other is for His holy servant Jesus Christ, also known as “the Lamb of God”.Charles, does scripture ever call J…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 21 2012,23:41)GO TO THE HOT SEAT WITH THESE VERSESCharles, don't YOU know how to start a new thread here?  If you want to put me on the Hot Seat about a subject, then do it.  I will gladly discuss any scriptural subject with you – as long as you know going in that I will most likely only read the first 50 or so words of your p…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 21 2012,23:41)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 21 2012,09:33)That man has a higher ranking than woman.  Man is “the boss” of woman.  Mike,Why do you call that a revelation???Who called it a “revelation”?   I believe it was YOU who thinks this – not me.Remember this:Charles, I would have you know that we have never had a female Pr…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Dec. 21 2012,17:51)Do most here basically agree that what people call mental illness is actually demons torturing the minds of see people?I think it's clear that all of us, except for you, believe that what is often diagnosed as mental illness CAN BE instead an affliction caused by a demon.

Quote (david @ Dec. 19 2012,23:01)Does everyone here believe that mental illness is actually demon possession?I believe there's no way for you to know every single cause of every single case of “mental illness”.I believe demons still play an active part in messing with God's creation – namely: man.Like I've just posted to Kerwin, just because the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2012,21:33)Mike,I do not know enough about Asperger's to say whether the demon comes and causes the situation or instead comes and takes advantage of the inflicted person's weaknesses that are caused by damage previously “inflicted” by a demon.I guess I'm just wondering why you're attributing the physical effects to ANY…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 21 2012,18:33)Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 21 2012,19:40)1. There is NO resurrection of the bad.But of the good only.2.The first resurrection is for the saints,resurrected in spirit.(they are judged and resurrected at the same time). God already knows who belongs to him before he is resurrected.(therefore already judged).3. In the…[Read more]