Quote (carmel @ Dec. 28 2012,11:15)WHY SCRIPTURE STATES THAT GOD FORMED ADAM OUT OF DUST, THE FILTHIEST SUBSTANCE ON EARTH?The dust of the earth is made up of many VITAL minerals and other substances, Charles.  It is these same minerals that make up the universe.It is not “filthy”, as you claim.  From this wonderful material, all vegetation g…[Read more]

As I said, “the word of God”, in this case, is no different than any of us referring to the Bible as “the word of God”.And no Ed, God Himself does not grow, nor does He multiply.

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 28 2012,03:38)Mike, I never said that. I said that the Son is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit (Son) was IN Jesus the man.Here is one of my scriptural proofs for you:'How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to…[Read more]

Let's DO be honest here, Gene.  You are AFRAID of my exercise, because you are AFRAID to get “tied down” to your own words.Like I've repeatedly said, I am not yet making any claim about who or what this Word was.  I am not yet arguing that it WASN'T the utterance of God.  I am not yet arguing that it WASN'T, as the utterance of God, God Hi…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 28 2012,21:24)my example isjammin responded to john, MY FATHER!does it mean that john is NOT my father? yes or no>?Okay, Let's lay out the storyline first.jammin watched his father, John, die in a car accident.  He hosted his father's funeral, and laid him to rest in the family cemetery plot.Years went by, and one day, jammin…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 27 2012,19:06)that is just an opinion from men.Agreed.  But take note that the OPINION the NETNotes scholars ultimately end up with is that Thomas was indeed revealing that Jesus was God Almighty Himself.I only pointed that info out to show you that, even though they opine a DIFFERENT conclusion than Kerwin does, they do…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 28 2012,08:04)AND ADAM DIED 930 YEARS AFTER, INSTEAD IN THE SAME DAY THAT HE COMMITTED HIS SIN?If a thousand years to us is like a day to God (Psalm 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8), and no man was ever recorded as living more than a thousand years, we can accurately say that Adam DID in fact die in the very “day” he ate of the fruit, right?

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2012,06:27)Therefore is seems to me that both John 1:6 & 7 are emphasizing the Light aspect of the Word.Hi Kerwin,May God grace you with a quick recovery.As for your quote above, I consider that close enough to continue with the knowledge that all of us, so far, agree that “the Word”, or at least “aspects OF the Word”, are…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2012,05:31)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 29 2012,14:23)Hi Wakeup, Are you suggesting that Christ couldn't see the “Kingdom of God” until he was resurrected?   God blessEd J ED J.Christ came from the kingdom; he was brought down to the earth.Flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God.wakeup.That's right, Wakeup.  Jesus came d…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Dec. 27 2012,18:35)JESUS should correct thomas if he was wrong.Perhaps Jesus understood that Thomas meant those words as vocatives, and that's why he didn't correct Thomas. I don't really want to be in this discussion you're having with Kerwin. I just wanted you to be aware that even some Trinitarians understand WHAT Kerwin is…[Read more]

From NETNotes:John 20:28Should Thomas’ exclamation be understood as:1) two subjects with the rest of the sentence omitted (“My Lord and my God has truly risen from the dead”), 2) as predicate nominatives (“You are my Lord and my God”), 3) or as vocatives (“My Lord and my God!”)? Probably the most likely is something between the second and th…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,18:08)Quote (mikeboll @ 64)It is my understanding that “HE” refers back to John the Baptist, and “the light” refers back to the Word.Do we still agree, 2B?Mike, so far yes.Great! There are many scriptures that prove the rest of what you wrote to be flawed, but I don't want to get ahead of ourselves.Slow and steady…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2012,18:07)WHEN YOU IN YOUR MIND WANTED TO CREATE A CHAIR; YOU ALREADY HAVE CREATED THAT CHAIR IN YOUR MIND BEFORE YOU HAVE CREATED IT.YOU KNOW HOW THAT CHAIR LOOKS LIKE.IT IS ALREADY CREATED.I won't get into this subject on this thread, Wakeup.  But you are welcome to join us in the “Beginning” thread, where we have…[Read more]

I do understand you point, Wakeup. But what if a child is born with severe Downs Syndrome, or some other affliction? Is that child no longer a creation of God, like the rest of us?

In this case, the “word of God” is the teachings of God, laid out to us by His Son Jesus.  The word, in this verse, is neither “Jesus” nor “the Holy Spirit”. It is, in this case, no different than any of us referring to the Bible as “the word of God”.Ed, this seems to be an odd topic for you to start, considering that you believe the Holy Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 27 2012,07:39)Mike,read again and tell me where it isn'tCharles, Where in scripture can I read about Satan owning Adam's soul?

It is noted that Kerwin believes the Word was the “utterance of God”, that not only happened to be with God in the beginning, but also was the very God it was with. It is further noted that Kerwin does not believe “the light” was “the utterance”, but that it was the “faithfulness” or “righteousness” of God that was in God's “utterance”.It is also…[Read more]

Kerwin,You are speaking as a sensible person.  Whether or not we end up in agreement about the Word, I can not ask you for anything other than that.  Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2012,08:47)I am unsure why most, if not all, Greek to English translations settled on a simple past to express the Greek imperfect “was” but doing so removes the sense of on…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 26 2012,21:34)The WORD of GOD was not born in heaven,because he was from everlasting with God.In the beginning: This was the time when the WORD started to create the angels and the rest of creation.For there was a time when the WORD STARTED to create.This is probably not the thread for this, but the Word of God is Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Dec. 26 2012,23:52)Jesus was Adam's first SOUL OBVIOUS WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WITHIN.THE FLESH SUBSTANCE WAS LUCIFER'SCharles,We are apparently not reading the same scriptures, for I have never read MOST of the stuff you claim is taught in the scriptures.