Because Jesus, the BEING, was the first thing God ever created. All other things were subsequently created BY the God of Jesus, THROUGH His firstborn, Jesus Christ.All things were created through Jesus, because Jesus has existed longer than everything, except for his own God, Jehovah.So when it says all things were created through Jesus, it…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 02 2013,19:11)Hi Mike,Here lies where we disagree.Here, and many other places as well, Ed.

This understanding of mine seems to fit with the teachings in Genesis, and doesn't contradict any scripture – as far as I know.I realize that Adam is called the “first man” in scripture, and that would still be true if the homo sapiens who came before were consider “pre-men”, instead of “men”.

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 02 2013,19:02)i think you should take some rest mike.Good advice, jammin. I believe I WILL take a rest from the silly nonsense you've been spouting here for a long time. It's always the same silly arguments, backed up by the same silly translations – translations that don't even follow the Greek words that were…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Jan. 03 2013,05:16)Mike, yes.John 1:16From the fullness of his grace we have all received one blessing after another.Okay guys…………. only two left.  In verse 16 above, is John STILL writing about the very same Word he was writing about in verse 1?  YES or NO?Wakeup, could you answer the question DIRECTLY this time?Kerwin?  …[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Jan. 03 2013,00:02)I agree but not that they would be classified as “Man”.Agreed.  I believe the Hebrew word “adam” referred to a different species, or whatever, of homo sapiens.I believe there existed “cavemen”, or whatever, who were not created with the “image” of the heavenly hosts, like Adam and Eve were.Sort of like…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Jan. 02 2013,20:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 02 2013,11:12)Guys, can we really look at Charles Manson, and truthfully say that he is NOT a creation of God?Rather than Charles Manson, you may as well just ask the same question of satan.Okay. I also believe that Satan is a creation of God, like everything and everybody else.Do you…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,18:06)Mike B64.Do you know that what had happened to the old world, had to happen that way? God had to show mankind that he can destroy the earth,and Enoch was saved for a witness.I disagree, Wakeup.Things DID happen the way they did, but they didn't HAVE TO happen that way.Is it hard for you to believe that God had…[Read more]

Charles,Colossians 1:15-17 speaks of Jesus, not “the spirit of Jesus”.Jesus is not the “soul” of every man, Charles. We all have our own souls. Jesus is the head of every man, meaning he is higher in the hierarchy than man is.Similarly, God is the head of Christ, meaning that God is higher than Christ.

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,16:42)Every word that comes out of the mouth of God is truth.Agreed. And God could say, The sky is blue, and those words would be the truth. But it doesn't mean those words are some magical, mysterious, philosophical teaching.Sometimes, they are just words used to communicate instructions, commands, or whatever.

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,00:06)To correct what I wrote earlier, John 1:4 actually states that Life is in the Word not Light as I have been claiming.It does say the Life is the Light of Men.Yeah Kerwin,It is the same difference IMO. If life was in him, and life was light, then it makes no difference to speed it up and say light was in him,…[Read more]

Thanks for your DIRECT answer to my question, Kerwin. Wakeup, would you be so kind as to do the same?

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,17:01)To say that God had to adjust his plan is ridicules; this only means that he is like us,not perfect.making mistakes here and there.Genesis 65 The Lord saw how great man’s wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord was g…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 02 2013,00:53)Mike believes nature of God = essence of angels as he holds God has a spirit body; just as he claims the angels do.Note: Mike please correct me if I am mistaken about what you believe.Close enough, Kerwin. I believe that the nature of God is “SPIRIT NATURE”. I believe His firstborn son, and all of His other…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Jan. 01 2013,19:29)president is a RANKActually, “President” is a title, just like “God”.Neither the Hebrew word “elohim”, nor the Greek word “theos”, ever refer to a nature, jammin.  “God” is not a species that has members of the same nature.You always ask if me and my father have the same nature.  Of course we do, because we are b…[Read more]

Wakeup,I'm awaiting your answer in the “Beginning” thread.

John 1:15 John testifies concerning him. He cries out, saying, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”But how about verse 15?  Is the one John testified about STILL the Word from verse 1?  YES or NO?Gene?  Kerwin?  Wakeup?  2B?

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 01 2013,20:15)Verse 11 and eludes to Jesus, and verse 14 clearly introduce Jesus into the story.The subject switches to Jesus in verse 15. 1-14 is predominantly about “Ho Logos”.Yeah Ed,You and I have been through this before. That's why I'm doing it again with other people, in the hope that you will see your error. There is…[Read more]

Not only does scripture not exclude the possibility of earlier humans, Wm, there are words in Genesis that virtually insist there MUST HAVE BEEN others before Adam.Some of us have discussed these words in this thread.

Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 02 2013,11:39)SO THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND BAD,IS A MUST IN GODS PLAN.As adam needs to fall,tempted by satan.So Jesus needs to be betrayed by judas, tempted by satan.For the redemption of sin.I disagree. Adam and Eve, while having the CHOICE whether or not to listen to the serpent, didn't HAVE TO eat of the fruit…[Read more]