Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2013,22:39)Being a good Shepard has nothing to do with being a good person. Can't you at least understand that?So then your Lord Jesus Christ, to whom all knees will bow, is NOT a “good person” – according to you?

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,18:47)Some are general statements and so do not make your case.Each one of them makes my case………… and there are many more to come!  Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,18:47)Others are refuted and you do not except the refutation.Not one of them has been refuted.  If you think any of them can be, then pick one and r…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:56)What about Cain and his wife, and the others that cain was afraid of?Well, presumably, since Cain thought being banished to Nod was an unbearable punishment, it was not a good place to be. So my question is WHY there were “others” already in the land of Nod, that Cain had to be afraid of?What were these other…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:56)How many children and grand children can be born in the space of 100 yrs?Read Gen 5, Wakeup.  The youngest any father was when he begot the “mentioned” son was 65 years old.  Most of them were over 100 when they begot the “mentioned” son.Is there any reason to think the “mentioned” son isn't also the f…[Read more]

Actually Wakeup,The scripture explicitely says that AFTER Seth, they had other sons and daughters.For you and Pierre:Read Genesis 5 and tell me if you believe the child mentioned to each parent was their firstborn son. I do.(Btw, I believe David was the 8th son of Jesse, and we are told he was the youngest. We are also told about Eliab, the firstborn.)

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 07 2013,18:09)Mike B.You must think spiritually,not physically regarding this woman.This kind of comment doesn't help anyone, Wakeup.  Surely you don't believe that I think the nation of Israel is PHYSICALLY a woman, right?  So I would have to be thinking spiritually, or at the very least metaphorically – whether I believe t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,18:32)Jesus objected to being called good, Mark 10:18.Yet Jesus called himself “the GOOD shepherd”, right?Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,18:32) Jesus is only “good” because Jehovah dwells in him doing his work.So then Jesus IS good?Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,18:32)The Spirit is the source of all goodness.So then, if…[Read more]

To All,I started this thread because I had questions. I'm not making any particular claims, but pointing out things in scripture that don't seem to add up.For example, MOST people just assume that after Cain and Abel, Eve was popping out children like a rabbit, and that those children were doing the same. But we KNOW from scripture that Cain…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2013,19:12)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 29 2011,12:38)WHY were there already “others” out there in the land of Nod, living away from God's presence?MikeThis is the problem :The bible doesn't say there were others out there in the land of nod living away from Gods presence.  This is assumed by you.Fair enough, David. But what…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2013,16:28)I find that “subdue” is the actual word.  It's what my bible says and what the biblecc indicates when you look up the Hebrew.A little info from NETNotes about the Hebrew word translated as “subdue”:Elsewhere the Hebrew verb translated “subdue” means “to enslave” (2 Chr 28:10; Neh 5:5; Jer 34:11, 16), “to conq…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 05 2013,19:52)This is a good topic. I am very excited to look into this.I welcome your insight, journey. It might be good for you to read over the first 5 or so pages. Many things have been touched on already………… things that might prompt a response from you.

Quote (david @ Feb. 05 2013,16:02)Mike, interesting thread.Thanks David. You have I have already had quite an extensive discussion in this thread.

Quote (jammin @ April 15 2012,19:15) THERE WAS NO MAN TO TILL THE GROUNDThe Hebrew word is “adam”. There was no “adam” to till the ground. Of course we all know that the earth can survive with or without an adam tilling the ground.

Ed,The main question I think we'd all like answered is:What exactly makes you believe the AKJV is the only true translation of scripture?(You don't have to answer these others)Do you believe that people who existed BEFORE the AKJV did NOT have the “real truth” of God?Do you believe that people who speak languages other than English do not have the…[Read more]

Quote (Devolution @ Feb. 07 2013,06:48)This has reminded me NOT to consider something complete hastily just because the picture was revealed……….See?  There is a method to my madness after all.  There is a valid reason for me taking this discussion one small point at a time – almost at a snail's pace.  It was originally so I could wrap my he…[Read more]

I agree that the twelve stars are the patriarchs.  But doesn't that lend credence to the claim that the woman is the nation of Israel itself?After all, Jesus was born out of that nation, as a descendent of David.  (Deuteronomy 18:15,18; Micah 5:2)  And that nation was supposed to represent the goodness and righteousness of God from the time He pe…[Read more]

So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:1.  John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”.  (Many expert Greek scholars)2.  Jesus is called a god in scripture.  (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)3.  Jesus was with God before the world began.  (John 17:5)4.  All things were said to have been made t…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2013,07:53)It boils down to this you either believe Mike or what God say> In Claim #1 and Claim #2.Gene and Ed,If you SERIOUSLY think the Isaiah verses Ed posted eliminate all the other gods the Bible clearly teaches about, you are mistaken.  But if you think you're right, and those scriptures teach that there is…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2013,19:38)Now as regarding your question about Jesus saying he was a good Shepard , please notice the question was regarding a Shepard. A man can be a good car mechanic but that has nothing to do with him being a good person . One applies to a job while the other applies to his character . When Jesus responded to…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2013,06:55)……..you and Mike are……. “little god” makers.Gene,Is Jesus Christ ever referred to as a god in scripture? YES or NO? (Isaiah 9:6, Hebrews 1:8-9, etc.)