Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,23:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,17:19)2B, do you see the “Holy Spirit Son of God” as an independent being?  After all, being the Son OF God would make him someone OTHER THAN God, right?Mike, The Son of God that i see is not some little god, but is A PART OF GOD – GOD'S OWN SPIRIT!!Spirit gives birth to spirit…[Read more]

Showing them scriptures that clearly refute their current understanding should work.  In fact I've noticed during my time here that those who are truly seeking scriptural truth eagerly adjust their own understanding when shown scriptures that contradict that understanding.Of course, there are also those here who are so dead-set in their own…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,22:08)The confusion is in making God's own spoken Word (the Logos which is divine speech) into a pre-existent Jesus.God's spoken word was WITH Him in the beginning, and also WAS Him? Talk about confusion……..   2B, do you see the “Holy Spirit Son of God” as an independent being?  After all, being the Son OF God w…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,22:08)Therefore Jesus the man and the Holy Spirit/Son became as one.Luke 10:21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth……….”How can Jesus be “full of joy through the Holy Spirit” if Jesus WAS the Holy Spirit?This is just one scripture that r…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 08 2013,05:33)That does not mean that every family back then dont have many children,I think the contrary.I do think they were breading like rabbits.(free sex).And you may be right, Wakeup.  Perhaps Noah having his first children at age 500 was an extreme exception to the rule.  Perhaps ALL THREE of his kids not having any c…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:24)Mike,My understanding of “firstborn over all of creation” is from scripture.He is a 'new creation'.Okay 2B. When you can show me the words “NEW creation” in Colossians 1, I will join your understanding.On the other hand, if that scripture teaches that EVERYTHING in heaven and on earth was created through Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,16:21)Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:10)Please explain. To your understanding.The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.  He is not God's Holy Spirit.  He was, however, many times FILLED WITH God's Holy Spirit, right?Now, answer my question:  Are we ALL the same eternal sp…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Feb. 07 2013,22:07)17  And the Dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her Seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.I think that child is the BODY of Christ. FIRSTBORN from the dead.   Her SEED.That is interesting, Abe.  But now it doesn't fit with Herod, like the ot…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,16:04)Is God LITERALLY the only good person in existence, thereby making Jesus “bad”, or “evil”?  YES or NO?No. Jesus is good.So then, “only God is good” was an EMPHATICAL statement, designed to draw attention to the fact that the goodness of Jesus cannot be compared to the…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,21:10)Please explain. To your understanding.The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.  He is not God's Holy Spirit.  He was, however, many times FILLED WITH God's Holy Spirit, right?Now, answer my question:  Are we ALL the same eternal spirit?  Or do we each have OUR OWN spirits?(By answering this one simple que…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,02:17)OK Pierre, thanks, I found them.Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2013,09:39)1.  Why then is Jesus called a god in scripture?2.  Why is Satan called “the god of this age”?3.  Why is Jehovah the “God of gods”?4.  Why is He the “Most High God”?5.  Why is He the “Almighty God”?6.  Why did Paul tell us that there are indee…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 09 2013,01:29)Hi Gene,Calling us “EL-o-heem's” is NOT the same as calling us gods; I thought you knew that?EL-o-heem has essentially four different meanings, while “GOD” has primarily one.Yet the words Jehovah used in those Isaiah passages was “elohim”, Ed.Jehovah said that besides Him, there were no elohim.Yet now you are…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,20:14)Hi Mike,I am sure that Kerwin meant that Jesus could have done wrong (sinned) but He did not. Therefore He was the only one who was perfect and God's Spirit lived in Him.Hi 2B,Instead of explaining what Kerwin meant, why not just answer the question yourself?Is God LITERALLY the only good person in existence,…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,19:17)Is there only one Spirit, T?Is that Spirit eternal?Does that mean the spirit of Mikeboll64 is the same eternal Spirit of God? Am I eternal, 2B?Is there REALLY only ONE spirit in existence? Or do we each have our own?It truly amazes me that you guys who are trying to force scriptures to teach your own man-made…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,18:26)And the firstborn over all creation = from the dead.Actually, the Greek words “pasa ktisis” are written in the genitive form, which means the translation is “firstborn OF all creation” (or “OF every creature”).And there is no way to come to the conclusion that this phrase equals “from the dead”. Think it out,…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 09 2013,16:21)Mike,The only reason that you are trying to say that there are other gods is so that you can make John 1:1 say that God's own word was another god!They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.2B,The FACT of the matter is that John…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,15:36)The good man is good only because Jehovah is doing his work through the man who is evil without Jehovah.Kerwin, Jesus clearly speaks about a GOOD human being.  But also says, “ONLY God is good”.  Are you unable to understand the simple concept that if you say, “JESUS IS GOOD because……….”, the because part d…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2013,12:01)Scripture does not reserve the word “god” for Yahweh alone; though many in our culture have been taught to do.That is a good way to say it, Kerwin.  Well done.In Biblical culture, there were many gods, of whom Jehovah was the God.  In today's culture, we have been brainwashed into thinking there has ever only e…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2013,00:00)The “good” in “good teacher” is translated from a different word than the “good” in “good shepherd”Jesus is Kalos but not agathe.Matthew 12:35A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.The word “good”, as bold…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 07 2013,23:22)Ask Ed and Gene if the believe that Scripture testifies about gods who are not god as Jehovah is God?Ed and Gene,Do you believe the scriptures that testify about gods who are not the Most High God, Jehovah? YES or NO?