Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2013,19:24)Mike,Quote  Jesus was with God before the world began.  (John 17:5)That scripture does not support your claim.John 17:5 NRSV ©So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed.Kerwin, I realize that you feel it is necessary to your doctrine th…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 10 2013,18:06)i told you if the bible is silent, you must be silent.Well jammin,According to the Bible, there existed ONLY Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel.  And after Cain killed Abel, there existed ONLY Adam, Eve, and Cain.The Bible EXPLICITELY says that AFTER Seth was born, Adam and Eve had OTHER sons and daughters.  The Bible i…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 10 2013,13:43)Neanderthals, humans may have missed each otherOkay Pierre.  You realize I was just using the term “Neanderthal” as an example, right?  I have no idea what Adam, Eve, or Moses would have called the “others” who were humanoid, but not quite “adam”.  Also, in this last part of my post……….And when sc…[Read more]

Eddy?

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 11 2013,18:14)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,09:42)2B believes that the Holy Spirit is the original “eternal Son of God”, who works side by side with Jesus – a different Son of God.  Not side by side, Mike. I said “as one”.But how can you say “as one” in one breath, and then immediately turn around and quote this scripture…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,21:08)Like I said to Wakeup, according to the 'shoot' He is spoken of differently than according to the 'root.'Kathi, There has never been more than one Jesus. There isn't “Jesus the Root”, and “Jesus the Branch”. They are both the same Jesus. Notice in Revelation 22:16, where Jesus is speaking from the highest…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,21:08)Furthermore, you keep mentioning Jesus as the servant and the lamb. I notice you don't want to see Him as the Lord of all or the Lion of Judah.That's simply not true. I see him as everything the Bible says he is. I focus more on “Lion” and “Lord” with the non-preexisters, who place Jesus lower than what the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,21:08)About your other rant…you once again act like I am saying that the Son is the first power of YHVH and not a second power.Scripture doesn't speak of Jesus being the first, second, third, or even the hundred and twenty-second “power of YHWH”.So once again, if scripture doesn't say it, then don't teach…

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,21:08)According to this logic, if Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus was conceived if He really must be like every other father and son, according to you.Kathi,The act of conception is an ACT.  That means that at some point in time, it HAPPENS.So at one point, there was just God.  And then, through the ACT of c…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2013,18:13)of cause this would mean that Jesus came preaching around the year 26 AD and died around 30 AD of cause this would make the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD be exactly 40 years or little less (this would be a repeat of what happen in the desert wen God condemn that generation so that they would not see the…[Read more]

Charles,I'd be willing to bet that the conclusions garnered through my reflections are quite different than yours.

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 11 2013,18:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,06:14) Can you read me a scripture that says, “Satan is not the God of Abraham”?  satan is not GOD by nature. he is the enemy of God. satan is the god of this world and not God do you have common sense mike?Do not explain, boy. Can you read the scripture or not?

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 12 2013,17:30)Quote (jammin @ Mar. 05 2012,03:42)do not explain mike. read in 1 john 5.20 that john says that Christ is not the true GOD.read it mike. ill wait. you can ask for helpJammin.If Jesus is the true God in that verse, then Jesus has a son called Jesus.jammin is always asking us to prove the negative.  He always asks for…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Feb. 11 2013,12:14)Mike,Those who are raised up out of stones are created FROM THAT PARTICULAR DAY!Jesus was in the Father's bosom from eternity………..Hi Charles,Psalm 2:7 I will proclaim the decree of the Lord:  “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.”It seems Jesus also had his beginning “FROM THAT PARTICULAR DAY!”  <…[Read more]

Hi 2B,You didn't actually address these points, from John 17………..God is calling Himself “you”, and talking about the work that He gave Himself to do?  And then God calls Himself “Father”, and asks Himself to glorify Himself?  And all this while He is praying to HIMSELF?Does this really make sense to you?Also, you didn't answer this q…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 12 2013,17:06)What was ACTIVE? What was MOVING? Yes, the Spirit. From NETNotes:The traditional rendering “Spirit of God” is preserved here, as opposed to a translation like “wind from/breath of God” (cf. NRSV) or “mighty wind” (cf. NEB)………….If one reads “mighty wind” (cf. NEB) then the verse describes how the powerfu…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 12 2013,17:06)NO-ONE, it says, knows the Father (God) except for the Son (The Lord is the Spirit, 2Cor 3:17)Can you not see that the Son is the Spirit?John 5:20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, to your amazement he will show him even greater things than these.How does that scripture fit into to your theory?

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 12 2013,16:04)You do notice that Jesus is not God – as Jesus has flesh and bone, right? and God is spirit.Yes 2B,I'm well aware that Jesus has never been God Almighty.  And when he said the words of Luke 24:39, he had just been resurrected in the same flesh body in which he died.  So yes, he WAS a flesh being at that time – j…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2013,15:45)Mike …….I do notice you certainly do cherrie pick posts and no only mine brother, I have noticed that for along time.Have you also noticed me forewarning people like Keith, Jack, Charles, you, Ed, etc. that if they make a huge post, I'm going to cherry pick the ONE point I WANT to address, and address…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 12 2013,15:38)Mike…..HERE IS YOUR “ONE” QUESTION , do you believe like the serpent who told Eve. That they would be as gods knowing good and evil after they took of the fruit, It appears you do, by what you are saying right? This is just another of your YES OR NO questions. So please answer it as yes or no.“YES”…[Read more]