Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 13 2013,21:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,11:17)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 13 2013,08:46)Kerwin……..Mike Just can't seem to understand “ALL” created thing have there Glory before they are ever Made.Show me that in scripture, Gene.  If you can't, then don't make the claim, okay?Mike……..Does common sense…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,02:32)Jeremiah 1:5Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.God knows a man before he is conceived.That doesn't say anything at all about Jeremiah HAVING GLORY before the world began.Quote (kerwin @ Feb.…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 09 2013,11:44)I hope you have enjoyed this conversation.I sure did. Thanks for posting that, Pierre.

Hey All,I've started a thread called “A question for the non-preexisters”. Would you all please go there and answer the question?Thanks in advance.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,19:17)Mike,It is the Son's power that holds all things together. That is the power of God. Col 1I take it that you don't disagree with what I posted about that passage in 1 Corinthians 1?As for Col 1, to which verse do you refer please?

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,19:15)I think that the Son always existed within the Father before He was begotten. “Thinking it”, and “scripturally supporting it” are two very different things, Kathi.  Do you suppose Jesus was never “conceived”?Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,19:15)Also, we know from scripture that Jesus is eternal life. The…[Read more]

I “insist” nothing. I “SUSPECT” that there were “pre-Adam” type beings, who were not called “adam” in Hebrew.Therefore, I conclude from the scriptures that Adam WAS truly the first “adam”, but not the first humanoid creature on earth.

Quote (journey42 @ Feb. 13 2013,09:44)Hi JamminWhy don't you come over to the prophecy section?Yeah.  Go bug those guys for a while.  (But remember that journey is a girl, so don't call her “boy” like you disrepectfully call the rest of us, okay?)

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 13 2013,00:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2013,11:08)Hey jammin, can you read in any scripture that Satan is NOT God Almighty?bec i can read in 1 john 5.20 that Christ is truly God boy.You can't read it in the REAL words of the scripture.  If you feel justified by the fact that the version (I won't even call it a…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 13 2013,00:09)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 13 2013,10:30)Jammin.If Jesus is the true God in that verse, then Jesus has a son called Jesus. If you accept that Jesus has a son called Jesus, then you don't have a contradiction with your view.If you cannot accept that, then you have a contradiction and we do not.that is reasoning is from INC…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,21:13)I have clearly shown Mike that children that are begotten/born on a certain day already existed for months beforehand.And I have clearly shown you that ANY child who has EVER been begotten was also subject to a time when he DIDN'T exist at all.I know you WANT this to be different in the case of Jesus, but…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 13 2013,09:09)……..but does that really make all man and a women  gods to you then> Yes or NoI believe we are like God in more ways than just “knowing good from evil”.  But “NO”, it doesn't make ALL men and women gods.Men HAVE been called gods in scripture.  So have angels.  The word “elohim” basically means “mi…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 13 2013,08:46)Kerwin……..Mike Just can't seem to understand “ALL” created thing have there Glory before they are ever Made.Show me that in scripture, Gene. If you can't, then don't make the claim, okay?

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2013,20:00)Mike,You are reading your doctrine into Jesus' words.  Believers had their glory with God before the World began as “those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters”, Romans 8:29Kerwin, can you point out for me the…[Read more]

Do not ask questions boy. If you can read it in the Bible, then read it.

The wildebeests were hilarious.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,21:42)Mike,this is not supported by any scripture:Quote (mikeboll @ 64)So at one point, there was just God.  And then, through the ACT of conception (or whatever), there was Jesus.And YOUR claim that Jesus was eternally existing within his God IS supported by scripture?  Actually Kathi, MY claim IS supported by s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,21:39)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,19:58)Scripture doesn't speak of Jesus being the first, second, third, or even the hundred and twenty-second “power of YHWH”.So once again, if scripture doesn't say it, then don't teach it.Well scripture says it:1 Cor 1:22For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23but we…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 12 2013,19:46)The Holy Spirit was in Jesus the man.So, they were “as if one” because Jesus the man had the Holy Spirit in Him.God the Father and the Holy Spirit however are different — they are truly the one being.Hi 2B,John 17 1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the time has come. Glorify y…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2013,19:33)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2013,04:36)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2013,16:15)No creature is good without God is a paraphrase of only God is good.So then creatures WITH God CAN BE “good”, making the statement “only God is good” an EMPHATICAL statement instead of a LITERAL one – like I've been saying this whole…[Read more]