Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 21 2013,14:00)T8,If Jesus came in the flesh then he did not transform to flesh.The spirit being Jesus Christ was transformed by God into the flesh being Jesus Christ.That being the case, we can say Jesus BECAME flesh. We can say Jesus WAS MADE flesh. We can say Jesus “has come in the flesh”. And we can say Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 21 2013,13:49)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2013,08:26)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2013,23:09)The Word was made flesh and Jesus Christ came in the flesh and so was not made flesh.You're digging yourself in deep with your own words, Kerwin.If Jesus Christ was not made flesh, what was he made?  Steel?  Rubber?And if the words “came in t…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 20 2013,16:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2013,00:23)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 17 2013,00:11)Jesus was created by the Word, as was everything else that was created.So then, according to Rev 19:13, Jesus somehow BECAME his own CREATOR?   (Please answer this question.)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2013,13:26)Mike,The Spirit fluttered,…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 20 2013,16:04)Mike,Quote 2.  WHO then, IS the antichrist?  WHO is it among men or angels that DON'T believe Jesus of Nazareth existed at all?The standing hypothesis is John is speaking of Gnostics.  It does fit the bill as Gnostics looked at flesh as flawed or worse. There were at least some sects that literally taught Je…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 20 2013,15:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 21 2013,00:26)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2013,23:09)The Word was made flesh and Jesus Christ came in the flesh and so was not made flesh.You're digging yourself in deep with your own words, Kerwin.If Jesus Christ was not made flesh, what was he made?  Steel?  Rubber?And if the words “came i…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Feb. 18 2013,21:54)I don't know that anyone is descended from Abel.Okay.  So WHY didn't Abel have children of his own, if the norm was “breeding like rabbits”?There are two possibles:1.  Abel was still fairly young when Cain killed him, which makes me wonder how SO MANY people had already been born by Eve.  (It would also make me wo…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 20 2013,13:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2013,13:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:05)Mike,Have you ever read how important the article is to t8 to indicate who is the true theos? I am just making sure he knows that the article belongs to Jesus too. That's all.And to Satan.  So what's YOUR point in this matter?My…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 19 2013,04:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 19 2013,16:16)I believe that you guys are going to be eating crow and I just hope God gives us the right words to help you think MAYBE Jesus is Almighty God so there will be a glimmer of reconsidering and loosening up that stiffened neck of yours.From what I am learning lately…you ought to…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:44)Hi Mike,Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Luke 5:8When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus’ knees and said, “Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!”The bolded words above are also Stong's 1831, but that doesn't mean Jesus was inside of Peter when he said those words.Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:10)Quote Tell me Kathi, when he is called “the theos”, is the word “OF” included in the phrase?Sometimes…like 'church of God' refers to God Jesus. But then there is Jesus is 'God over all' and 'oh the God' spoken by the Father and 'was God' and 'the only begotten God, etc.It just adds to the magnificence of it…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:05)Mike,Have you ever read how important the article is to t8 to indicate who is the true theos? I am just making sure he knows that the article belongs to Jesus too. That's all.And to Satan. So what's YOUR point in this matter?

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2013,23:09)The Word was made flesh and Jesus Christ came in the flesh and so was not made flesh.You're digging yourself in deep with your own words, Kerwin.If Jesus Christ was not made flesh, what was he made? Steel? Rubber?And if the words “came in the flesh” only mean he was a man like everyone else, what was John's…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 17 2013,00:11)Jesus was created by the Word, as was everything else that was created.So then, according to Rev 19:13, Jesus somehow BECAME his own CREATOR? (Please answer this question.)

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 19 2013,01:26)John 1:3 is one of those one little Scriptures.Hmmmm…………  So I'm pointing out that Jesus is called “the Word” in Rev 19:13, by none other than the Apostle John.  And I'm suggesting to you that this SAME author might have referred to Jesus as “the Word” in his gospel, meaning that 1:3 could very well h…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 20 2013,07:11)i cant read that satan is God.what i can read is that satan is god.god is not God.Okay jammin.  Would you agree that the only god to have the G capitalized should be the MOST HIGH God?  Seems reasonable, right?So let's change your words a little:Mike, I can't read that Satan is the MOST HIGH God – the only One t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,20:01)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 18 2013,18:45)Are you all caught up now, Kathi?  Do you realize what the exercise was all about now?Mike,If that was his only argument, then you might have a point. However, that is not even close to the whole argument that jammin has regarding the capital G for the God that Jesus is.…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,21:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 18 2013,19:52)And sons, as far as humans know, are subject to a time they don't exist at all until they are conceived, right?And it was to humans that Jehovah called Jesus “my Son”, right?   Surely Jehovah would have known that we humans would understand “my Son” to mean that the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,21:43)Which part do you want scriptures for?This part:He was an entity of the same kind as Himself, within Him and then born/begotten/brought forth from out of Him.

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 20 2013,07:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 19 2013,11:55)Quote (jammin @ Feb. 16 2013,19:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,16:51)Quote (jammin @ Feb. 15 2013,07:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2013,09:51)jammin, are the words “Jesus Christ” in the Greek mss of that verse TWICE – like the GW implies?  YES or NO?the word houtos…[Read more]

So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:1.  John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”.  (Many expert Greek scholars, plus the simple FACT that it CAN be translated that way.)2.  And the Word was a god:  (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)3.  He was with God in the beginning:  (John 17:5)4.  A…[Read more]