Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 21 2013,23:13)Jehovah is the only one that formed the earth and made it, there is none other.You don't really believe that do you?If you do then you communicate it poorly.First, I've never in my life stated anything different, Kerwin.Second, I have argued over and over against Trinitarians and Kathi that Jehovah ALONE created…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 22 2013,16:40)And then there are verses like this:Romans 9:5 And the Patriarchs; and from them The Messiah appeared in the flesh, who is The God Who is over all, to Whom are praises and blessings to the eternity of eternities, amen.Romans 9:5 NASB © whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 22 2013,04:08)God's wisdom does not contradict his own word.That is common sense.Well put.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,21:59)Right and it was never my teaching that the article means that the theos with it meant God Almighty. I do not have a theology based on the article.Cool.

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 21 2013,20:06)yes the G should be given to the true God and that is the father and the son and the HS.I didn't say “true God”.  I said “MOST HIGH God”.Please answer again. Also, answer the other question on the last post of the previous page.

I don't see the words “MOST HIGH God” in that translation. Do you?Also, you posted before I added this to the last post:And wasn't that the test to know Satan is not the MOST HIGH God? If he is listed as someone OTHER THAN the MOST HIGH God, then he can't possibly BE the MOST HIGH God, right?jammin, do you agree with me that ONLY the MOST HIGH…[Read more]

I still don't see a scripture that says Jesus is the MOST HIGH God, jammin.Mark 5:7 “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?”Luke 1:32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.Luke 8:28 “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!”On the other hand, all three of th…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 21 2013,01:08)LU,I see a root as having faith.Kerwin will see a root in any fashion that DOESN'T allow for Jesus having been both before and after David. But keep talking guys. It is an interesting discussion.

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 21 2013,00:49)To all,Cain was a settler and built a “city” that grew as his children of man grew in number.  It probably started out as a single building and grew as more was required.Who else was said to have built a “city”, Kerwin? Did Abraham? How about Issac for his small group? Jacob?In other words, which other small…[Read more]

jammin,Everyone who has posted on this site (with the possible exception of Colter) believes Adam was the first adam.We're discussing the possiblity that there were other pre-adam bipeds already in existence before God created the first adam.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,13:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2013,12:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,21:43)Which part do you want scriptures for?This part:He was an entity of the same kind as Himself, within Him and then born/begotten/brought forth from out of Him.Heb 1:3 the exact representation of his being, Phil 2:6 He existed in the…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Feb. 21 2013,10:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 15 2013,09:51)jammin, are the words “Jesus Christ” in the Greek mss of that verse TWICE – like the GW implies?  YES or NO?you call it alteration bec it does not support your imagination.I call it an alteration because it is one. The words “Jesus Christ” are NOT in 1 John 5:20 TWICE,…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,13:16)I don't believe Jesus was conceived.So?  If he is a son, then he was conceived.  We always accept the DEFAULT, unless there are CLEAR scriptural words to the contrary, right Kathi?So show me those CLEAR scriptural words.If you can't, then what you personally believe on the matter is of no consequence to me, n…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 20 2013,13:28)Quote These two things are in opposition to each other, Kathi.  One cannot BE the President, and also the SERVANT OF the President.  I see no scriptural reason why this obvious and logical fact would be different for Almighty God.And this here is a big road block for you, you will be amazed if you prepare y…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 20 2013,13:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 20 2013,13:36)So then there is no scripture where Jesus is called simply “the theos”?Mike,Well if He is said to be the God over all, then yes 'over all' goes with it.So then, “NO”?Therefore, it's like Satan being called “THE elohim of Ekron” – since there are always qualifyers in the…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2013,18:52)The word “EL-o-heem” defines as:1. God2. Angels3. Judges4. LeadersSo then when Jehovah says there are no elohim besides Him, He must be speaking EMPHATICALLY – especially since you just gave us all a list of many other elohim in scripture.Case closed, Ed. I don't have time to deal with your blatant refusal to…[Read more]

So far, we've learned that the following things cannot be scripturally refuted:1.  John 1:1c can be faithfully translated as “and the Word was a god”.  (Many expert Greek scholars, plus the simple FACT that it CAN be translated that way.)2.  And the Word was a god:  (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)3.  He was with God in the beginning:  (John 17:5)4.  A…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 21 2013,08:58) was not talking about “all” knowledge in a general sense because not even Jesus had that.Really Gene?John 21:17……..Lord, you know all things………So Jesus didn't LITERALLY know ALL things, even though Peter clearly said he did? I guess Peter was speaking EMPHATICALLY, huh? Just like Paul was…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2013,16:20)Hi Mike,Jesus preexisted as God.Hello Eddy,1. Do you believe Jesus was God Almighty when he dwelled on earth?2. Do you believe Jesus is God Almighty right now?

2B,That information is nice to know, but it doesn't answer the questions of this thread.