Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 21 2013,08:58) was not talking about “all” knowledge in a general sense because not even Jesus had that.Really Gene?John 21:17……..Lord, you know all things………So Jesus didn't LITERALLY know ALL things, even though Peter clearly said he did? I guess Peter was speaking EMPHATICALLY, huh? Just like Paul was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 25 2013,17:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2013,08:42)I do understand what you're saying, Gene.  I just don't understand why in the world you would come to the conclusion that our only two choices are:1.  A spoken word itself became flesh.2.  A title itself became flesh.I agree with you that neither of those two ch…[Read more]

My answer to that first question is “BOTH”, Gene.Jesus was a spirit being, then a human being, then a spirit being again.(Btw, “Was he a spirit or a man?” is not a “YES” or “NO” question.    But t8 and I apparently knew what you meant, so no harm done. )

Even human beings are “animals”, Pierre.  But yes, I think you're BEGINNING to understand the point I'm trying to make.NO, I don't think “the others” were gorillas.I believe they were a humanoid species, not totally unlike “man”, but also not quite “man”.Remember the original Planet of the Apes with Charlton Heston?Remember all the “caveman” type…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 24 2013,09:26)Mike ……> i also believe Jesus will be a ruler of somekind for ever………Good Gene, because that belief is scriptural.Now, do you also believe the other scriptures I posted, where it is clear that leaders are called “fathers”? Here, I'll bump the info for you:This is from NETNotes: must not be taken…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,07:26)Luke 1:33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2013,19:50)Hi Mike,               The Everlasting ruler is YHVH. (Psalm 29:10)Ed, are you claiming that Jesus WON'T reign forever, like the above scripture says?  YES or NO please.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 25 2013,16:55)Now if Paul would have said Jesus preexisted befor he came to this earth in the form or better put (nature) of God you would have a point.Gene,Could you show us scripturally WHEN EXACTLY Jesus was existing “in the form of God” WHILE he was on the earth?

Also Gene,Please answer the bolded question about “Kerwin's Hotel Saga” – three posts above this one.

Gene,I just can't keep up with all your unscriptural beliefs.  How can I explain to you that spirit messengers of God are angels, when you don't even believe spirits are beings at all?And how can I explain to you that Jesus is one of these spirit messengers of God, when you believe Jesus is the only flesh and blood human being living at the right…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 24 2013,07:03)It doesn't make sense with Moses, but IT DOES make sense with Christ ……………..Why Kathi?  Why would it be OBVIOUS that one particular servant of God could not be “God over all”, but not just as obvious that the other servant of God could not be “God over all”?Both servants of Jehovah are called gods…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 24 2013,07:50)So, who is saying that the Son is the Father? The Second Power of YHVH is the servant of the First Power of YHVH. No one is saying that the Second Power of YHVH is also the First Power of YHVH.I believe it's only you who even speaks about a first and second power of YHWH.No one in scripture ever said the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 24 2013,07:47)Mike,Quote #4 makes perfect sense if you understand that Jesus was not only after David, but also before him.It makes perfect sense IF….If it makes perfect common sense, why do Gene, Kerwin, et al debate this constantly with you?Gene, Kerwin, et al believe that when Jesus said he was both the Root AND the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 25 2013,10:57)To All……..> Now let talk about Jesus being the Root of Jesse, this clearly was speaking of his origns comming into existence through Jesse and hence through King David.Jesus said he is both the Root AND the Offspring of David.If “Root of David” means “Offspring of David”, like you claim, then Jesus was…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 25 2013,09:25)Jesus was God Spokesmen on earth and he could have a “TITLE” as God's Word.If you are saying it is a title i agree a Person can have a title as that.I full well know Jesus was speaking “God's” word to us, i have no problem with that or him receiving a “title” of the word of God.Great, Gene!    It seems w…[Read more]

Deuteronomy 26:15Look down from your holy dwelling place in heaven and bless your people Israel and the land you have given us, just as you promised our ancestors – a land flowing with milk and honey.

Quote (abe @ Feb. 23 2013,23:26)Hi Mike,Col.1:18 And he is the HEAD of the BODY, the church, who is the Beginning, the FIRSTBORN From The DEAD, that in all things he may have the preeminence.Rev.1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the Firstborn From The Dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To him who loved us and…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 24 2013,08:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2013,12:51)Jesus is called “the Word” because he is the spokesman for God.  He is not a LITERAL spoken word, but called that as a TITLE.  Just like the King of Abyssinia had a spokesman who was called “Kal Hatze”, which means “the word of the king”.Gene, are you able to c…[Read more]

Kerwin,Do you believe Jesus now exists in heaven with a “flesh and blood” nature?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2013,01:18)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 23 2013,23:50)Instead John 17:5 is Jesus asking for his glory that he had with Jehovah before the World began.That's right, Kerwin.  And if you ask for something you ALREADY HAD, then you are OBVIOUSLY asking for the RETURN of that something.This really isn't rocket science.  Kerwin,I w…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 24 2013,16:48)When you say that Jesus existed as a powerful angel,Do you know which angel?Yes 2B.  He was the one called “Jesus”, and “the Word of God”, and “the Lamb of God”.  He now has been given a new name that only he and God know, but he still remains an angel of God.Gene needs to realize that the word “angel” is an E…[Read more]