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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 06 2013,10:23)Mike …….here is a question for you,   1) Do you believe GOD AND HIS WORD ARE ONE AND THE SAME.YES OR NO, PLEASE2) Do you believe GOD'S SPIRIT is PART OF GOD ?    YES OR NO,  PLEASEPeace and love to you and yours……………………..gene1. No.2. Yes.(See how easy that is, Gene?)

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 06 2013,10:18)Lighten up……….I agree with you regarding Mikes behavior at times. Ed has a thread called “Yes or No questions that cannot be answered with a Yes or No”.The thread was designed by Ed to show examples of where I ask “loaded” questions that cannot be answered the way I've asked them.  Lots of people…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 06 2013,09:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 06 2013,13:20)Do you believe that God's Holy Spirit is the SON OF God?  YES or NO?Mike……..your answer is yes and no.  Yes it is when “IT” is “IN” you and “NO” if “IT” is not in you , “YES” , It is the Spirit of God that makes his children. So from that perspective the answer i…[Read more]

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 05 2013,21:13)I don't support you because you walk a crooked path. You speak out of two sides of your mouth. On one thread you will completely act like what you are saying on one thread is common sense but an insane thought on a different thread.Oh I see.  Not only is that claim ludicrous, and without any evidence, but…[Read more]

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    Quote (abe @ Mar. 05 2013,21:01)Hi Mike,(quote)The Holy Spirit is a part of God, not a creation of God. Is the   SON  of  God   part of God?Is the   WORD   of  God    part of God?Is the    WISDOM   of  God   part of God?Is the   POWER  of  God   part of God?Is the   GLORY  of God   part of God?Peace brother…….No to all, Abe.

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    4T,Where can I read in scripture that Jehovah was ALWAYS a father?

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    So you DON'T see Jesus listed as someone OTHER THAN “the God of the people of Israel”?That's strange…… because it's right there before our very eyes. Hmmmm…………….. It must be awfully dark inside those blinders, Kathi.

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 7 months ago

    I take it you have no rebuttal to the other two posts, and so are humbly remaining silent instead of acknowledging your original error?

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    mikeboll64 replied to the topic in the forum Preexistence 13 years, 7 months ago

    Kerwin,Try this version:2 Timothy 1:9 NLT © It is God who saved us and chose us to live a holy life. He did this not because we deserved it, but because that was his plan long before the world began––to show his love and kindness to us through Christ Jesus.Is it starting to make a little more sense to you now?Let me ask you this, Kerwin:COULD the…[Read more]

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    Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2013,06:16)Your Livimg Soul consits of a body with Spirit “IN” it. Just that simple There is no such thing as “three componets to us Well, Jesus and Paul both disagree with you, Gene.  And I will ALWAYS accept their words over yours.But even in your scenario, “Mike” consists of a body AND a spirit, right?So “the…[Read more]

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    So then Cyrus, who is also called the “arm of Jehovah”, is also a part of God, and has also existed from eternity?Kathi, can you tell me what the phrases, “the mighty hand of God” and “the outstretched arm of God” refer to in scripture?My understanding is the power, might, or tool by which God accomplised His purpose.  Jesus and Cyrus were both…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2013,05:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2013,07:32)If Kerwin tells the front dest clerk that he wants the room HE HAD last year, is he talking about:A.  The room HE HAD last year?B.  The room the hotel had been holding for him since last year?Which one do the words “HE HAD” imply?The clerk is going to look at reservations a…[Read more]

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    Quote (abe @ Mar. 04 2013,22:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 04 2013,17:25)Quote (abe @ Mar. 03 2013,21:49)Why do you believe the Holy Spirit was not created?The Holy Spirit of God is also called “the finger of God”.  How can God be from everlasting, but at some point He CREATED one of His fingers?   ???The Holy Spirit is a part of God, not a creation o…[Read more]

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    I said ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURE I POSTED, KATHI.Think that'll be big enough, Pierre?  :)

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    Are you implying that Jesus, as a spirit being, had a mother?As I understand it, he was begotten solely by “the Father”. Isn't that also your understanding?

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    Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 05 2013,08:26)Hi Journey42, Why would Eve complain about no offspring, if Abel had some? which, by the way, none are mentioned anywhere in Scripture.“And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called    his name Seth: For God, said Eve, hath appointed me another  SEED instead of Abel,  whom Cain slew.” (Genesis 4:25…[Read more]

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    Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 05 2013,07:02)I'm only assuming because Cain had no offspring until he was banished.  It is clear there are others around, therefore where else would they come from?My point exactly!  Where DID all these “others” come from?  :)Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 05 2013,07:02)Now it's pointing to Adam fathering his daughters children.  E…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ Mar. 05 2013,01:58)God created or transformed Earth in six days. This could mean 6 literal Earth days where God is creating a the speed of light, 6 thousands years where God is creating at the speed of light, or 6 stages, where the time could be much greater.Good point. The Hebrew word “yowm”, which is the word translated as “day” in…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2013,15:39)Mike,Quote So if Paul had said, “The love of money is the seed of all kinds of evil”, we would understand that the love of money came first, and the product of that love of money is all kinds of evil.I have always perceived that greed itself is an evil.Okay Kerwin.But Gene and I were discussing Paul's use of the…[Read more]

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    Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2013,15:32)Mike and all,Literally Deuteronomy 29:18 speaks of a root of Israel that has become bitter through the worship of other Gods as the “you” spoken of is Israel.Your understanding of Deuteronomy 29:18 seems a to be a solid inferred understanding.Deuteronomy 29 NIV16 You yourselves know how we lived in Egypt and how…[Read more]

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