Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 05 2013,21:57)An eternal Son would not have been conceived but an eternal Son could be born/begotten having eternally existed within the Father and later brought forth from the Father before creation took place.All sons are conceived, Kathi.  There is no exception to the rule.  And all sons who are ever born/begotten are a…[Read more]

Gene,Thank you for answering my questions directly and honestly – like a man.  Perhaps Ed will learn from your example, and actually answer the questions instead of playing games.As for your points: I understand that is Metaphorically speaking about Job being the Father of the Poor…….. No he was not the literal Father of the Poor but was…[Read more]

Kerwin,Please DIRECTLY answer the question I asked.Thanks.

Quote (carmel @ Mar. 10 2013,10:43) Quote (mikeboll @ 64) is taking in knowledge of WHAT, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THAT BIZZARE PHRASE MEANS, APART THAT IT IS ALSO NOT WITHIN THAT VERSE The Greek word used by Jesus was “ginōskōsin”.  It is Strong's #1097, and the very first words in Strong's definition are:  I am taking in knowledge.  Luke 8:10To yo…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2013,15:55)thanks gene but mike does not want to believe this truthI believe the truth of the Bible, jammin. Not the truth of the likes of you, who desperately WANTS Jesus to be the Most High God he is the Son and Servant of.And not the truth of Gene, who desperately WANTS Jesus to have begun his existence as a human being…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ Mar. 11 2013,15:54)you do not want the truth of the bible mike/.the bible said Christ is truly God and you ignore this truth.You've got it backwards, sonny.YOUR OWN WORDS said that ONLY the Most High God deserves the capital “G”, right?Did I show you TWO different scriptures that CLEARLY identify Jesus as someone OTHER THAN “the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,23:48)Mike,Is humanity a hybrid beast/man?Perhaps those who are from Cain's lineage. I don't know, Kerwin.I started this thread because I had questions that I don't know the answers to.

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 11 2013,10:50)Quote (2besee @ Mar. 11 2013,16:06)Hi Mike and all,I would like to move on now. What I would like to look at is:  What is Jesus Now?  i.e. AFTER the resurrection. So I will start up a new thread, perhaps?Good Idea, now that Jesus is a God Jr, with all power and authority in heaven and on earth given to him, did t…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 10 2013,23:06)Hi Mike and all,I would like to move on now. What I would like to look at is:  What is Jesus Now?  i.e. AFTER the resurrection. So I will start up a new thread, perhaps?Yes 2B,Please start a thread called, The Holy Spirit is the Son of God.I was going to ask this today:  Are Jesus and the Holy Spirit STILL se…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 10 2013,16:48)Hi Ed,Can God not cause a virgin to conceive through the power of the Holy Spirit……. ?Absolutely God can……. and DID! But even though I don't agree with Ed that the Holy Spirit OF God IS the very God it is OF, his point still stands.You are saying that God caused Jesus to be conceived in Mary THROUGH His…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 10 2013,13:28)Oh brother! If wisdom is given at any time, it is brought forth from within.You didn't say “given”. You said “born”. Show me a scripture that says wisdom was born.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 10 2013,13:24)If your arm threw the ball, then your arm is the 'source' of the strength. Your mind would not be the source as the strength, your mind would be the authority but your arm provides the strength to get the ball from one place to anotherOh. So God is “the boss”, but Jesus is the one with all the power and…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 10 2013,11:31)Hi Mike,God's Holy Spirit (ALL BY ITSELF) actually conceived the Son of God in Mary. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS OR NOT?“OR NOT”, Ed. No, I don't believe that.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 10 2013,10:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,19:05)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 09 2013,21:03)i believe the son is and alway was in  God Father because the same preexisting Spirit But are you talking about JESUS?  Or are you talking about this OTHER son of God, the Holy Spirit?Mike Tells us if the Word “Begotten” m…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 10 2013,04:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,15:27)Kerwin, do you believe the Holy Spirit is ONE Son of God, and Jesus is a completely DIFFERENT Son of God?Mike,As is common to man, you see what you want to see. 2beesee and I choose see something different than you.  Okay.  Now could you answer my question?

I'm in the same boat, jb2u.I agree with most of the JWs understanding of scripture – but I believe that they, like the Pharisees, add too many of their own man-made rules to the scriptures.The Unitarians believe Jesus was truly the Son of God (not God Himself, or a part of God), but they don't believe Jesus existed with God before all things were…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 10 2013,03:40)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 10 2013,17:01)Yes, I believe I get the point.  It seems like you are saying that the OLDEST mss have “keep in your name THOSE you have given me”, and the more recent mss have “keep in your name THAT you have given me”.  But aren't the OLDEST mss usually considered the best?Hi M…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 09 2013,23:55)2beesee,I have shown my reasoning for believing Scripture calls the Spirit the Son at times.Did you show scriptures that clearly teach of such a thing, Kerwin?  Because if you did, I sure didn't notice them.  Perhaps you can help 2B out with his assignment now by listing just ONE of those scriptures.Kerwin, do y…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 09 2013,22:15)Mike,I cannot give you the scriptures one by one because it is the scriptures as a whole. What you ask is impossible, unless you want to go through the entire bible with me??Absolutely I'll go through the entire Bible with you, 2B. Start with your very first scripture in the Bible that says the Holy Spirit of…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 09 2013,22:09)The Branch = offspring from the root through the stumpThe Roots = source of the stumpOkay. I guess since that stump was created by God THROUGH Jesus, we could, in a very vague way, consider Jesus “the source” of the stump. Much like we could consider the baseball I threw at your head “the source” of the bump…[Read more]