Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,12:30)2. I accept the Melchizedek covenant with the Most High, which bestows the favor of God on my faith, not on sacrifices and burnt offerings. But Abraham did believe halfheartedly, and even that was “counted for righteousness.”Mel. is mentioned in Gen 14. But it is in Gen 15 where the word of Jehovah came to…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,07:32)Smile, It makes sense if you realize that Adam and Eve were much older, 39,000 years, the new story fill's the genealogical gap and shortens time. They elevated themselves to Gods chosen people instead of Melchizedek's predicted people. ColterI still say a flood story would not have been needed. If they wanted…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,07:22)The first clue Kerwin is that God is never disappointed in anything he has done………….Why? If you were a good father and provided a nice meal for your son, and then he spit in your face – would YOU be disappointed?God created man in His image, hoping that man would do the right thing, and live by the…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 15 2013,07:14)You don't buy it, a large flood after people living in the flood plain had been warned by a wise man to be careful?Colter,I grew up in Davenport, Iowa. That city is next to, and sometimes IN, the Mississippi river. The people who lived in the flood zone had houses built on stilts.Can you imagine any of these…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 14 2013,20:49)In the Law of it is the Hebrews the children of the most high.Yeah, but all the Hebrew “sons of God” married human women, Kerwin.  So why make a point of mentioning that these particular “sons of God” went into “daughters of MEN”?Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 14 2013,20:49)Never the less I hear your interpretation.

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 15 2013,04:13)To all,I cannot put my finger on it but where are there two theos in John 1:1.  Is it a hinted at interpretation?Kerwin,There are TWO “things” that are called “theos” in John 1:1. One of these “theos” was said to have been WITH the other one of these “theos”.Can one thing be “WITH” itself? Or does the word…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 15 2013,13:54)Here we go again…article theology!Hi Kathi,I understand your point.  “THE theos” is not ALWAYS identified with the article in scripture.  But I think that John was trying to DISTINGUISH “THE theos” from a DIFFERENT “theos” in 1:1, and that is why he made sure he used the article for the theos that the Word w…[Read more]

Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 13 2013,18:46)I appreciate everyone's input. I thank you all.To those that disagree with each other, sometimes all we can do is pray for someone's eyes to be opened to the truth!!!Sorry none of us seemed to have the answers you were looking for.

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,16:16)No, the narrative is written ABOUT Moses, not by him and in Hebrew, which didn't start until 4-500 years after Moses lived.I don't know about the beginning of the Hebrew language, but I agree that Moses himself did not write all of the pentatuech.  There are many place names in those five books that weren't even…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38)He brought much ridicule upon himself by going up and down the river valley advocating that all houses be built of wood, boat fashion, and that the family animals be put on board each night as the flood season approached. He would go to the neighboring river settlements every year and warn them that in so many…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Mar. 14 2013,05:38)………as the Hebrew priests in Babylonian captivity sought to trace the Jewish people back to Adam, they found great difficulty in piecing the story together; and it occurred to one of them to abandon the effort, to let the whole world drown in its wickedness at the time of Noah’s flood, and thus to be in a b…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 13 2013,09:30)Jesus own words:Luke 11:51   From the blood of *ABEL* unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.Abel was the first murder in history,after Adam sinned.Good scriptural point, Wakeup! It seems that even Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 13 2013,05:57)Mike,Genesis 6:4King James Version (KJV)4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.I believe the KJV uses the “;” to indicate the “after…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,19:58)Mike,I was saying that wisdom is 'brought forth' which has the idea of 'born.'You are correct that, many times, “brought forth” means “born”.To which scripture(s) are you referring? Do they contain the Hebrew word “yalad”?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,19:48)This verse caught my attention with the masculine pronoun for the Holy Spirit. It is listed as masculine in the interlinear tool.John 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,22:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:14)He began to give others this eternal life that He was back before creation with the Father.But his Father and God GRANTED him to have eternal life in him, Kathi.  Do you see how that doesn't fit with your conclusion?Eternal life was…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:18)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,22:16)Kathi, do you think the angel of the LORD, who struck down 185,000 Assyrians, was Jesus?Mike,Not necessarily. I believe angels can do this.But this particular angel was “the arm of the LORD”.  So NOW what do you think about it?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:16)There are two members of the LORD, the eternal unity. One of the two members is the arm of the unity, the LORD.So the God of gods part of YHWH consists of an arm, two legs, a head, a torso, and two feet……………… but the Lord of lords part of YHWH is only that other arm? Kathi, show this to me in the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:14)He began to give others this eternal life that He was back before creation with the Father.But his Father and God GRANTED him to have eternal life in him, Kathi. Do you see how that doesn't fit with your conclusion?

Kathi, do you think the angel of the LORD, who struck down 185,000 Assyrians, was Jesus?