Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,00:51)LU, even many Trinitarian scholars agree that if it was implying that the Word was THE God even though for grammatical reasons it doesn't have THE, it still could not mean that the Word was God because if it did, it would be saying that to the detriment/exclusion of the Father.And even the 25 TRINITARIAN scholars who…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 18 2013,21:59)Mike,I am glad that you can see that I make a point. The point that I made destroys the foundation of the argument that Origen was building so I see no need to bother with the conclusions that he built on top of a foundation made of sand.“Destroys the foundation of the argument”?   Are you saying that John COUL…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 18 2013,21:09)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2013,18:40)Quote (abe @ Mar. 17 2013,11:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 16 2013,17:04)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,07:57)T8 and all,Adam was THE Adam is right.Adam was adam is right.Okay Kerwin,In the beginning was Cain.  And Cain was with THE adam, and Cain was adam.Is this also…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 18 2013,21:53)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,13:27)What happened to Daniel?  Did Ed scare him off?Hi Mike, you're breaking rule's #2 & #5.  (Link)2. Posting false/inaccurate or defamatory posts in the forums.5. Posting inaccurate statements about a person in the forums. But since “I know” you are joking, I'll let it slide.  …[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Mar. 19 2013,17:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 12 2013,12:22)What does it mean to you, Daniel, that the Father gave Jesus His name?It displays the Fathers desire to make himself know as Father.I don't understand. Are you saying Jesus is the Father, and he tried to make himself better known by giving himself his own name?

(2)  He uses the article, when the name of theos refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Word is named theos. 2)  This part tells me that Origen believes “THE theos” of part b is the “uncreated cause of all things”, while “the Word” is NOT. Kerwin, do you agree with Origen's assessment here?  Do YOU believe that the go…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 17 2013,11:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 16 2013,17:04)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,07:57)T8 and all,Adam was THE Adam is right.Adam was adam is right.Okay Kerwin,In the beginning was Cain.  And Cain was with THE adam, and Cain was adam.Is this also correct?ABE, this question is also for you.Hi Mike,Gen.1:1  In the beginning God c…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 17 2013,08:30)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2013,13:29)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 17 2013,00:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2013,07:04)In the beginning was Cain.  And Cain was with THE adam, and Cain was adam.Mike,That is a true English statement.And if Cain was “adam”, which means “qualitatively adam”, it could also be said of him…[Read more]

Quote (vjesnik @ Mar. 17 2013,05:58)I see John 1:1 exactly the way he meant to write it.There is the God  (only true God) and God (the Son of God)I agree that John 1:1 speaks about Jesus, who as God's spokesman is called “the Word”. And I agree that Jesus was with “THE god” in the beginning. But are you saying that Jesus is also “THE god” he…[Read more]

What happened to Daniel? Did Ed scare him off?

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,04:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 05 2013,17:54)Gene and I were discussing Paul's use of the word “root” in 1 Timothy 6:10.In that verse, does the word “root” refer to “what came first”?  YES or NO?Mike,The word “first” does not sound correct for a synonym of “root”.  A synonym referred to elsewhere in Scripture is “…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 17 2013,01:52)when he said “when the son of man comes he will separate the nations as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats” is also not still describing him as a son of man right?Yes Gene, Jesus is known to us as “The Son of Man”.  He did not remain a human being, but referred to himself as the Son of Man -…[Read more]

The italicized words below are things said about “the Word” in John 1.  The scriptures listed in parenthesis identify some of the places in scripture where those same exact things are said about Jesus.1.  And the Word was a god:  (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)2.  He was with God in the beginning:  (John 17:5)3.  All things were made through him:  (Col…[Read more]

Quote (carmel @ Mar. 18 2013,01:55)NOW THAT IS ETERNAL LIFE. SINCE JESUS NEVER ACTUALLY DIED.As usual Charles, scripture disagrees with you:Romans 69 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 18 2013,01:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 18 2013,09:18)Kerwin,I am asking Kathi for any SCRIPTURES (besides Prov 8) that speak of wisdom being created, or being born.Do you know of any?Mike,Proverbs 8:25 is the only place I know of…………..8:22, 24, and 25. Verse 23 has “established”, which could be viewed along the same…[Read more]

Whoa! Slow your roll. Let's finish the first point first, okay?I and my father are “truly human” because we belong to the SPECIES known as “mankind”.Are Jesus and his Father “truly God” because they both belong to the SPECIES known as “Godkind”? YES or NO?

Kerwin,I am asking Kathi for any SCRIPTURES (besides Prov 8) that speak of wisdom being created, or being born.Do you know of any?

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 12 2013,21:59)Common experience tells us that wisdom comes forth from within a person and in that sense, wisdom is born. So, whenever you read in scripture that wisdom has come forth in some way, metaphorically it was born.I disagree. Wisdom can be displayed by many people, but it isn't “brought forth from within them” in…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 17 2013,00:07)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 17 2013,07:04)In the beginning was Cain.  And Cain was with THE adam, and Cain was adam.Mike,That is a true English statement.And if Cain was “adam”, which means “qualitatively adam”, it could also be said of him that he was AN adam, right?After all, if one is qualitatively “man”, he is…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 16 2013,19:22)Cain was a son of God until he was cut off for slaying Able.So the question is was Cain disowned by God and Adam?What evidence exists that he was.What evidence exists that he was not.Kerwin,In the absense of scripture that says Cain WAS disowned, I think we need to assume he wasn't.Besides, that doesn't answer my…[Read more]