Quote (abe @ Mar. 24 2013,21:17)God has sent forth the Spirit of His SON into our hearts, crying,”Abba! Father!” You HAVE to see now.Abe,I said I don't believe Jesus has HIS OWN Holy Spirit thing going on. Please explain to me how you jump from God GIVING His Son the Spirit without measure to the spirit of Christ actually BEING the Holy Spirit…[Read more]

The italicized words below are things said about “the Word” in John 1.  The scriptures listed in parenthesis identify some of the places in scripture where those same exact things are said about Jesus.1.  And the Word was a god:  (Is 9:6, Heb 1:8-9, etc.)2.  He was with God in the beginning:  (John 17:5)3.  All things were made through him:  (Col…[Read more]

Okay journey. To me it sounds like Cain is afraid of the others who are already living in the land to where he is being banished.But I clearly don't have the answers……. only questions.

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 25 2013,12:09)We are both wanting to exalt the Father and Son and Spirit to their proper places, jb2u. I place all three (I didn't say all three persons) right up there at the God Almighty level together as an eternal unity.I place Jesus at the “Servant of God Most High” level…… because that is what the scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 25 2013,05:27)Hi Mike,I think he's afraid the others are going to come after him.I don't get that feeling from the words, journey. Are you saying that the others WOULDN'T have killed him if he stayed living among them?

Quote (carmel @ Mar. 23 2013,11:25)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 22 2013,12:41)But Paul says that Jesus tasted death for all of us. Mike,I agree,but what bothers me, WHY PAUL DIDN'T USE A CLEAN PHRASE SUCH AS HE DIED LIKE US OR HE DIED ALSO……………1 Corinthians 1512 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 24 2013,08:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 24 2013,17:32)Quote (barley @ Mar. 23 2013,21:46)Adam and Eve were the first man and woman.Cain was their first born and Abel the second born.  Seth was the third born.I agree with what you said above.  But if Seth was the third, and Able was dead before Seth was born, that only l…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,18:22)I don't agree with their 'qualitative' conclusion though and I think it is based on their bias because they ruled out that the second 'theos' could not be a particular 'theos' because there could only be one particular 'theos' and that one is already mentioned in 1b, therefore, the 'theos' in 1c must not be…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 24 2013,18:14)Hi Mike,Gal.4:6   Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His   Son   into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” Spirit of His SON. Can you explain?Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus……..God, though His Holy Spirit, has enabled some of us to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 24 2013,18:41)LU,Jesse is the house of Jesse.  See? It has begun……… before I even finished my post explaining what soon will be! Maybe I'm prophetic!

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,18:37)Also, I think that Kerwin is thinking that, as Jesus is the Branch…those He gives life to will grow out of this Branch and that would make the Branch a type of foundation or 'root' for them but in that case, the 'root' would not be called 'the root of Jesse' but the 'root' of the church.I haven't read all…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,18:29)Give him a break Mike, he didn't say that he wasn't going to discuss it. He needs to think about it all first. That is a good thing!He said he hadn't given much thought to “I am the Root of David”. But I didn't ask him about that, Kathi.I was asking, from the point of simple common sense, if a root OF…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,14:58)Kerwin,you said:Quote Second, Jesse is the genealogical root of Jesse as without Jesse there is no Jesse.Jesse is the genealogical root of himself??? Did you mean Jesus?Wait for it………………………………………

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 23 2013,15:16)No, David is not the root of Jesse.I don't believe that a father or forefather are referred to as roots of their descendants but I have not really looked into it that much.Yeah, I don't know of any scripture like that either.  But I wasn't asking scripturally.  I was simply asking for the common sense a…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 23 2013,14:40)As for “Root of David” I have not given it any thought whatsoever.Ah, but you are smart enough to realize that the “root OF” something comes BEFORE that something, right?For example, when Paul says the love of money is the “root OF” all kinds of evil, doesn't it mean that FIRST there is the love of money, and…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 24 2013,15:25)And to Mike…You ask the question “Are we all in agreement that John 1:1 is speaking about two God's” – and I say “NO”.  I am not in agreement with you.John 1:1 is talking about the one God. No amount of scholary/Greek studies will help you with this.Thank you, 2B, for getting this thread back on course.  We a…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 24 2013,00:52)Here is what NET notes concludes with John 1:1c:sn And the Word was fully God. John’s theology consistently drives toward the conclusion that Jesus, the incarnate Word, is just as much God as God the Father. This can be seen, for example, in texts like John 10:30 (“The Father and I are one”), 17:11 (“so…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 24 2013,00:37)So when it says that the Word was divine or godkind and then became flesh or mankind, that answers to Philippians 2:5-7…………..Agreed.  And don't get me wrong – I'm not arguing that the Word WASN'T divine.  Since Jesus is the firstborn Son of the divine Almighty God, chances are that he also partakes in d…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Mar. 23 2013,21:46)Adam and Eve were the first man and woman.Cain was their first born and Abel the second born. Seth was the third born.Howdy oatmeal,Long time no talk. I agree with what you said above. But if Seth was the third, and Able was dead before Seth was born, that only leaves Adam, Eve, and Cain, right?So who were the…[Read more]

I agree that “divine” is a flawed translation.  Kittel's Theological Dictionary of the New Testament says: The noun form is here used, not the adjectival theios, which would be required to simply classify the Word as “god-like.”But I agree with t8 that the theos in part c is theos in a qualitative sense, meaning “godkind”.  I don't agree with y…[Read more]