Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 31 2013,09:50)2besee…….Exclent Posts, I told Mike and T8 severial times over the years, that the Trinitarinas were closer to the truth them they were, becasue they at least see God's Presence in Jesus…………Gene,The “Shepherd” quote that 2B posted isn't saying GOD was in Jesus.  It is saying the “Holy Spirit Son…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 31 2013,03:57)Quote (abe @ Mar. 31 2013,19:26)Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,20:39)Good one Abe Hi 2b,Heb.2:9   Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the    Father of spirits,    and live?Peace brother..Yes Abe, good verse.I agree 2B. All the vers…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:24)Mike,2besee understood my question about whether is is flesh and blood that cries Abba Father or if instead it is the Son within.Two different scriptures in Galatians word it two different ways, Kerwin.  One says that WE cry Abba through the spirit, and one says that it is the spirit of the Son within us that…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,22:49)The holy, pre-existent Spirit, that created every creature, God made to dwell in flesh, which He chose. This flesh, accordingly, in which the Holy Spirit dwelt, was nobly subject to that Spirit, walking religiously and chastely, in no respect defiling the Spirit; and accordingly, after living excellently and…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,22:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,15:54)Please explain to us how God Almighty Himself could have been WITH God Almighty Himself in the beginning.The Spirit of YHVH is YHVH Himslef…In short, as the ruah is to the created nephesh, so the Ruach Elohim is to God Himslef, part of God and identified with God.So in…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,22:38)God sent the Spirit of the Son.What is so difficult to understand about that – it is not difficult if you understand the Spirit to BE the Son.First of all, there is nothing in scripture about God sending the spirit OF His Son until way after Jesus ascended back to where he was BEFORE. (John 6:62 – which, btw, is…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 30 2013,22:37)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2013,18:39)And all throughout the OT, there were hints that God was going to send what?  A MESSIAH, right?  Jesus is the Messiah God SENT into the world, 2B.  And it just so happened that the Messiah God sent into the world was also God's firstborn Son.2B, Gene, and Kerwin, do you guys th…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 30 2013,17:37)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2013,00:49)Jesus' children are his because they do the works he does.  The are his brothers because they, like him, do the works of God.Kso children or brother ,means the same thing to you I was wondering the same thing, Pierre. Jesus doesn't have any children of his own, that I know…

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,12:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 30 2013,22:33)1.  Was Paul saying the love of money, as the “ROOT”, came BEFORE all kinds of evil?  YES or NO?2.  In Alex Haley's best selling novel “Roots”, did the author research his ANCESTORS?  Or his DESCENDANTS?  Which of these two did he refer to as his “ROOTS”?Mike,To me your ques…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,16:52)……and was declared to be the Son of God in power…….So if Jesus is now “the Son of God in power”, where does that leave this OTHER “Son of God, the Holy Spirit”?Has God's other Son lost his power?  Is Jesus now higher than even the “Holy Spirit Son of God”?Or will you now flip-flop back again, and claim…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,16:26)Mike, I notice that you never comment on this.Show me from scripture, 2B. When I see your claim supported in today's canon, THEN I might be interested in reading this other book.But since you cannot produce one single shred of scriptural evidence that the Holy Spirit of God was ever considered to be the Son of…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,16:09)Mike, it shows that there are two: The Son of Man AND the Holy Spirit, and that the two are different (You can say a word against one and be forgiven but you cannot say a word against the other and be forgiven).Yes 2B. I AGREE that Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God are TWO different things. But how does that…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,15:59)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 31 2013,07:15)2B, it seems to me that the ones to whom Jesus revealed the Father also know the Father.  Are all of the apostles and disciples also the “Holy Spirit Son of God”, because they too know the Father?Mike, Jesus and the Holy Spirit spoke as if one. This is the point that you…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 30 2013,15:28)This is simple to understand Mike. The Father sent the Spirit of the Son. The Father sent the Holy Spirit. Son=Holy Spirit. You make things far too complicated.YOU are the one complicating things, 2B, because you keep flip-flopping on what exactly you are claiming. For example, you say the Father sent the…[Read more]

I have point blank told jammin that no one here is claiming that Adam was NOT the first “adam”.Sometimes he has selective “hearing”.

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:57)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,01:01)Gene,Is it believer or the Son that is in him that cries Abba, Father?What is Mike's answer?To all,Corrected.Kerwin,The words, “is it believer” do not make any sense.Your line of questioning doesn't make sense to me. Why not just tell us what YOU think those scriptures are…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 30 2013,11:48)To Mike and all,Galatians 1:16King James Version (KJV)16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:Is it the man Paul or the Son in him that cries Abba, Father?Is WHAT the man Paul or the spirit?

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 29 2013,21:09)John 14:23.(Greek)Answered Jesus and said to him, if anyone love me, the word of me he will keep, and the Father of me will love him, and to him I come, and an abode with him will make.http://biblos.com/john/14-23.htmhttp://biblesuite.com/greek/2064.htmJohn 14:16'And I will ask the Father, and he will give you…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 29 2013,20:55)1Cor 12: 4-12Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Mar. 29 2013,16:25)Mat 12:32And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.Doesn't say one single thing about the Holy Spirit being the Son of God.