Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2013,23:58)Good. But you think the second most high theos is an angel being?An angel is simply a spirit son of God, who delivers messages and does other tasks for his God. They, like their Father, are all “spirit beings”, not “angel beings“.Jesus is one of them. In fact, he is the firstborn of myriads of them.

Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2013,23:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 22 2013,19:26)Good point, Kathi.  But would the son the President begot be “part of” the President?  Would he be “Co-President” or something?  In other words, would he be “The Son of POTUS”………….. or “POTUS the Son”?  Which one?  He could become president.So then he woul…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2013,23:48)He was greater in the sense that He was the Father.And in the sense that He was Jesus' God. And teacher. And Master. And Lord. And protector. And so on, and so on.Face it, the God of Jesus is greater than His servant Jesus… in all ways.

Quote (Lightenup @ April 25 2013,23:43)The Father and the Son are the theos that are perfect………………So then “YES”, you ARE going to keep making the claim, despite what I showed you? Kathi, one who has existed eternally as a “perfect” being would NEVER have the need to “be made perfect”. Jesus was “made perfect”, like those of us who…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 26 2013,15:40)Love is God is expressing the idea that the nature of Love Divine.Then say, Love is a divine quality, or Love is a divine attribute…………. just don't say Love is God.Because the first two are most likely correct, while the last one is definitely not correct.Angels are “divine”, Kerwin. Does that make them…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 26 2013,08:41)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 25 2013,07:27)our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against human beings Mike show me where my words contradicted themselves. False accusations is the same as lying MIKE.It's in the quote box above, Gene.Paul's statement means that our struggle is NOT against human…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ April 25 2013,23:59)I agree it is poetic but I do not agree “is” is not a synonym of equals.Come on Kerwin,If what you are saying was complete, then when I poetically say “Jesus is love”, everyone can conclude that love itself is Jesus. Then, if we add that to your claim that love itself is God, we can all conclude that Jesus must…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,21:12)that is just your excuse. i already answered lots of your questions but you ignore my questions. ill repeat boydo you agree that being also means nature? yes or no?>I agree with the following uses of the word “being” that YOU YOURSELF wrote:Quote (jammin @ April 23 2013,23:02)second, Christ is the exact likeness…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,20:54)what if i can read to you word for word that the face of God has seen by men and live,Show me which scripture you THINK says such a thing, and I'll show you your misunderstanding.And I already told you to go to the other thread if you want to discuss omnipresence.But why are you afraid to discuss all those other…[Read more]

Hey Katih and jammin,I've just thought of something:In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son……Who, EXACTLY, was the “God” who did all the speaking to those in the past? Surely it couldn't have been Jesus, because the God who spoke to…[Read more]

Quote (jammin @ April 25 2013,20:44)but the God of OT has seen by menWrong. No man can see the face of God and live. And no man ever did see the face of God.Please address my other post. Are you ready to admit that Jesus is an angel of Jehovah?

jammin,I've asked a few questions in my last post. When you answer them, I'll begin to answer some more of yours. Our relationship has become one-sided. You ASK questions, and I ANSWER them. Over, and over, and over.It's time for YOU to answer some questions once in a while, okay?First up: Who is “the Majesty in heaven” that Jesus sits at the…[Read more]

I'll give you a MILLION YEARS to show me a Hebrew ms that says Cain's wife was an offspring of Adam. I can wait.

Quote (david @ April 25 2013,19:53)But, D, they say, is not a link.Huh?  T8's poster shows 6 images.  And I'm fairly certain that evolutionists believe images 2-5 are LINKS between image 1 and image 6.T8's point made me laugh, because I remember my younger brother, years ago, making that same point to me.  His thinking was: When they are able to…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ April 24 2013,21:45)My point was not to discredit Pierre or Mike either. But my questions were merely a matter of disclosure.Daniel correctly seen the JW influence in Mike's doctrinal beliefs, and Mike neglected to mention that he had been influenced by their doctrines.No Ed,Clearly your point was to direct attention AWAY FROM the…[Read more]

Daniel,First of all, this discussion is not about JW doctrine – it is about what the SCRIPTURES teach, or don't teach.Secondly, I start 1 Samuel tomorrow in the NET Bible – which was written by 25 TRINITARIAN scholars.  (I'm only reading a chapter a day, since there are sometimes 100+ footnotes in a single chapter, and I'm reading all of them as…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 23 2013,20:24)MartyQuote But the scripture in Psalm, it appears that God is referring to the King, possibly Solomon;no way by any meansPierre,I've never even guessed which king Ps 45 was talking about. But why do you say it CAN'T be Solomon?

Quote (942767 @ April 23 2013,20:18)Quote (t8 @ April 22 2013,23:52)Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,21:21)To the Son He says, O God, your throne is forever……………Can this equally mean that the sons says, “O God your throne is forever”. I don't have the time right now to check the context. Also, I haven't forgotten about your question in…[Read more]

So then you CAN'T show me your claim in any Hebrew ms? I figured as much.Later!

Hey Kerwin,I was looking for something to help me in a post to jammin, and came upon this from the JWs:The apostle John writes: “God is love.” (1Jo 4:8) He is the very personification of love, which is his dominant quality. The converse is not true, however, that ‘love (the abstract quality) is God.’ He reveals himself in the Bible as a Person and…[Read more]