Mike: Danny, if there are other saviors, then what about Is 43:11 and Hosea 13:4?

Danny:  Yahweh God, the only Savior, can use whom he will to deliver his people.
I think in that sense others can be called saviors.

Gene:  God can use anyone  in his saving process. BUT HE IS STILL THE ONLY “TRUE” SAVIOUR.  None of those saviours could have saved…

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LU:  Side note to the verse above…who is the “her,” the 3rd person feminine singular “her?” Could that refer to a unity of some sorts and not an individual? Hmmmm.

The grammatical gender of the word for ” spirit ” is feminine in Hebrew (רוּחַ, rūaḥ ), neuter in Greek (πνεῦμα, pneûma) and masculine in Latin (spiritus).   So I suppose t…[Read more]

Adam: Nothing to be ashamed of here as we are all debating on the most primitive and elementary religious writings/texts in HN.

I wholeheartedly disagree.  This isn’t a question that is open for debate.  For example, if David says mankind was made a little lower than the gods, then there is no question that the gods to whom he refers (many t…[Read more]

Danny: Hi Mike,

If there are other gods then what about Isaiah 45:5?
“I am Yahweh, and there is no one else.
Besides me, there is no God.”

Danny, I just answered that in great detail in post 931131 on the previous page.  (It’s the 12th post down on the page, and addressed to both you and Gene.)

The bottom line is that God also says there is no…[Read more]

LU:  Amen! I’m glad that you realize that the NT has a high Christology, exalting Jesus to the level of One who was actively involved in the creation of the heavens and the earth. Not many here who claim Jesus to be the Messiah and who accept the NT as the truth can see that. HN would be a very different place if those who say they believe in th…

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Exodus 20:11… For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them…

Psalm 96:11… Let the heaven rejoice, let the earth be glad; let the sea resound, and all that is in it.

Acts 4:24… “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them.…[Read more]

LU:  Do you think that the designer of the home takes an active part of the creation of the home even though they might have never been to the job site?

I think what you’re describing would be called the creators (plural) of the home.  Would you agree?  If not, I have asked you who the actual creator of your home is.  And if so, can you agree tha…[Read more]

LU: Mike,

I just read this post of yours:

LU: The book of John claims that Jesus was _______…
Mike: A god who was with THE God in the beginning.

LU:  The book of Hebrews claims that Jesus was _______…
Mike: A god whose own God set him above his peers.

Mike, in your understanding, is Jesus a god whose name you can invoke, a god whom you bow dow…

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Carmel: IN THE SIX-DAY CREATION, HOW LONG WERE GOD’S WORKING DAYS?

THE BIBLE DOESN’T MENTION IT.

WHY SHOULD WE INSIST THAT THEY ARE ONLY 24-HOUR DAYS?

Because God clearly EQUATES them with the SAME 24-hour days the Israelites were to work before resting on the seventh day.

And because the word “days”, which God created, specifically and expl…[Read more]

Mike: We do it the same way today.  You can say “back in the day of my grandmother”, in which case the singular “day” is not a literal day, but a general time period.  But you could also say, “back in the days of my grandmother”, in which case it is still a general time period, but the plural “days” refers to a bunch of literal days throughout tha…

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Adam:  It is quite thrilling to read your replies to the posts of all our dear brothers and sister who are in this HN. But please avoid your haughtiness based on your vast Biblical knowledge.

Perhaps what you see as haughtiness is really annoyance because nobody on HN seems to want to stand and defend their beliefs when they are scrutinized.  T…[Read more]

Gene: Mike…..Are we clear on the English word (WAS) yet?   As meaning coming to (be) or exist a certain way, but not nessarely meaning that it “always”,  was that way?  Can you allow your mind to even consider that possibility IN Genesis 1v2 ?

I am sorry for some of my post being a little scrambled at times, my tab adds letters some times  eve…

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Carmel: Genesis 1:11 In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. 2And the earth was void and empty, 

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven. 5And no plant of the field was yet in the earth…

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Carmel:(1) DID YOU CREATE YOUR SON? AND HOW?
(2) DID YOU FORM YOUR SON? AND HOW?
(3) DID YOU MAKE YOUR SON? AND HOW?
(4) DID YOU ESTABLISH YOUR SON? AND HOW

(1) Yes, through the act of procreation.

(2) Yes, through the act of procreation.

(3) Yes, through the act of procreation.

(4) Yes, through the act of procreation.

Gene: Mike even the word (was) in  English  does not mean it “always” existed that way.  Example,

The car “was” red doesn’t mean it “now”  is red.  But at one time it became or came to be red.

Nobody is claiming that “was” means “always existed that way”, Gene.  Let’s use your car example…

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Mike:  For those who haven’t been following along, Proclaimer has gotten himself into some real trouble on our private thread.  Every single argument he has made has been thoroughly and scripturally debunked by me.  And now he is unable to reasonably answer my “Must Answer” questions, and is stalling with irrelevant pontification.  Here are the q…

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Mike:  And when the house is done, who will be credited with its creation?  Who exactly will be the house’s creator?

LU:  …if one person did the design, provided the materials, did all the physical labor, and owned it all…then one person would get all the credit.

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LU:  The “He” is the Father. The Father made the world through his Son. Sorta like I am building a house through so and so the house builder.

And when the house is done, who will be credited with its creation?  Who exactly will be the house’s creator?

When it says “HE made the world”, who is the He?

I think those writers are clearly identifying the Father who made them, not merely emphasizing Him over someone else. Also, why emphasize the Father when the Son is the one who literally made them? 🤔

But okay, what do you do with scriptures that identify the Son as someone other than the Creator? For example…

Hebrews 1:1-2…  On many past…[Read more]