Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,01:39)I am tired and hope to cover more later.Okay. I am anxious to see how this understanding follows through with the scriptures themselves.

Quote (4Thomas @ July 08 2013,00:24)Sure there are some translation that INCORRECTLY use the word Angels for the word GOD but these are wrong.Hebrews 26 But there is a place where someone has testified:“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,    a son of man that you care for him?7 You made them a little lower than the angels;    you crown…[Read more]

Kathi,You can accept that Jehovah's servant Jesus Christ has the very same God that we all have….. or you can deny it.Which is it, Kathi?Do you accept this or deny this? Kathi, scripture says some of us will become sons of the Most High God, and brothers of Jesus. Do you accept this? Or do imagine you will become a SISTER of the Most High God?

Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2013,17:35)Mike,Melchizedek king of Salem also worships the most high El………..And was he a descendant of Canaan? If not, then what is your point?Kerwin, is there a scripture that says any Canaanite ever worshiped Jehovah as their El? If so, show it to me. If not, then just acknowledge as much, okay?

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,17:25)Mikeit seems Edj is allergic the the word god(s) but this does not change anything………He follows the teaching of men who have for years tried to protect the Bible from itself by insisting there is only one elohim, and all others are “so-called” or “false” elohim – even though the scriptures never use…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,17:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:32)Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places.  Are they wrong in that translation also?  Should it really be “most high LEADER”?Hi Mike,Mightiest of mighty ones works for me as well, as long as you don't then say that those mighty ones are gods.  Okay, we al…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,17:00)Hi Mike,Both: Real EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as Angels,and False EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as GOD.So then when Jehovah says there exist no elohim besides Him, He MUST BE speaking EMPHATICALLY, right?Because you just said that there ARE indeed other REAL elohim, right?

Okay Kerwin,I think it's time we hear your understanding from start to finish.You are now saying the Word is some demiurge other than Jesus. Do you still think this demiurge is the “Holy Spirit Son of God”? Or have you moved on to yet another understanding? (You've gone through so many of them in the last 3 years that it's hard for us to keep…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ July 09 2013,03:32)Since when and where have angels been called “gods”?Many times in scripture, 2B. Psalm 8:5 says God made man lower than the ELOHIM (gods). That verse was later quoted in Hebrews as “God made man a little lower than the ANGELS”, because the inspired writer of Hebrews understood that the word “elohim” that David…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ July 09 2013,03:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,15:08)To All, God created the heavens, the earth, the sea, and EVERYTHING in them.  That would include angels, right?Mike and Kerwin,Created was the heavens, the earth, and all that is visible in the heavens and the earth, obviously.Created by God's word and spirit.But, angels…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2013,17:15)Mike,It does not say that.  It states its “root” means …Actually Kerwin, It says that ELOHIM comes from the Hebrew ROOT “el”, which means “mighty” or “power”. “El” is the root they're talking about.

Quote (2besee @ July 09 2013,03:32)Mike,Your quote says that Satan said the man would “become  like the god's “.Genesis 3:5 – My Bible (the RSV) says that Satan said that the man would “become  like God “.There is a big difference in “become like THE GODS” and “become like GOD”.In the phrase, “knowing good from evil” in Gen 3:5, the word “…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ July 08 2013,05:19)The name Elohim, which is not an exception to this rule, comes from the Hebrew root el, which means “might” or “power.”2B,Do you agree with the source that YOU quoted?  Do you now agree with me that the Hebrew word “el” simply means “might”, or “power”?

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,16:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:15)Are they REAL elohim?   Or are angels FALSE elohim?Hi Mike, Fallen Angels would still fit the definition of “EL-o-heem”.Please answer the question.

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,10:31)Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,21:00)You say (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other 'gods'.Clearly it does NOT say this, nor is it even implied – except by YOU that is.Mike  says (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other EL-o-heem ;if not so why would scriptures…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,08:34)Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:21)Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:33)“A New god”(=69) means 'FALSE GOD”(=69)!JEHOVAH(=69)Hmmm………..  Are your numbers telling us that Jehovah is a false god, Ed?Hi Mike,NO, what this evidence suggests is:regarding the definitions of the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”:There is only…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,08:33)1. GOD —> the counterfeit —> C'new gods' – meaning 'false gods'. 2. Angels —> the counterfeit —> A'devils' – meaning 'fallen angels'. Okay, so it seems EXACTLY like I said it:You believe they sacrificed to ANGELS and to FALSE GODS their fathers hadn't known.Isn't that exactly what I…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ July 08 2013,00:07)Just like you I feel we aren't getting anywhere.Will move onto the next questionOkay. I'll address that one tomorrow. It's late and I'm tired now. peace,mike

Quote (kerwin @ July 07 2013,23:13)Mike,The Word in the KJV of Isaiah 55:11 uses “it” and yet is a personification.The word “it” isn't in the Hebrew text.

Quote (kerwin @ July 07 2013,23:02)No Scripture calls Jesus the Word except one passage in Revelations…….Wrong.  1 John 1:1-2 speaks of the same Word, which is also Jesus.So now there are THREE scriptures calling Jesus the Word – ALL OF WHICH were written by the same author. Doesn't that tell you something? It should.Quote (kerwin @ July 07…[Read more]