Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,20:24)Notice that Jesus said “and from now on you know him and have seen him.” this was a frank and new disclosure to the apostles.Funny how all those disciples went on to write hundreds of scriptures that clearly distinguish our savior Jesus Christ FROM his God and Father who sent him. Colter, do you believe Jesus IS…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,20:55)1 Corinthians 8:4-6Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in…[Read more]

Kerwin,I've read your posts. I'm done discussing your faulty belief that God only rules over men's spirits, but not their bodies.As for the other subject, I await your first scripture in which “word” means something other than a spoken or written word.Pointing out that God SPOKE A WORD and things came into existence proves MY point. In that…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2013,21:15)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 16 2013,12:16)List a scripture where “word” means something other than a word that someone spoke or wrote.Hi Mike:Quote Hbr 11:3   Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear Love in…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 15 2013,21:07)The “Logos” was with God. The plan for this world and for his creation “was with God”.So God's plan was with Him? And the plan OF God actually IS God Almighty Himself?

Kerwin, this is the part of the definition of the Greek word “eidolon” that Kathi didn't post:1b) used of the shades of the departed, apparitions, spectres, phantoms of the mind, etc.You of all people know what a shade is, right?  A shade is a spirit/ghost/demon, right?So in reality, the Greeks took the Hebrew phrase “the gods of the nations are…[Read more]

Abe,I recently decided that I will only address your comments to me when they actually say something of value. (You might have noticed that I've been ignoring your irrelevant posts in the other threads, too.)  The scriptures you posted and the little comment you made at the end do NOTHING in the way of DIRECTLY answering the question I asked you…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 18 2013,13:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,23:42)You mean aside from the obvious fact that a flesh human being has no place in the spiritual realm of heaven and could not possibly sit right beside God who dwells in unapproachable light?  How about “no man has seen God at anytime”?  These words were written twice by John y…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,19:24)Not ONLY THE MOST HIGH but THE ONLY TRUE GOD as JESUS said Himself and GOD ALMIGHTY declared Himself.Tell me how Jehovah can be the MOST HIGH god if there don't exist LESS HIGH gods for Him to be HIGHER THAN.Tell me how He is the ALMIGHTY god (or what that title even MEANS) if there exist no LESS MIGHTY…[Read more]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Aug. 19 2013,19:24)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 20 2013,10:43)And?  I don't claim that Jesus is the Father, who alone is the MOST HIGH god.But Jesus, Satan, angels, and demons are all called gods in scripture.  I choose to BELIEVE those scriptures as they were written.  It's up to you whether or not you believe them.Not ONLY TH…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,19:21)Because the author is obveously taking creative liberties in recounting the story of Steven being stoned to death.Is there a reason we shouldn't trust the words of Luke?

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,19:16)He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?So you are really arguing for a “Urantia ONENESS doctrine” then, and NOT for a “Urantia TRINITY doctrine”, right?The trinity doctrine says Jesus is ONE of the PER…[Read more]

Revelation 3:21To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.I count two thrones in that verse.Revelation 4:4Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders.Now we're up to 26 thrones.Matthew…[Read more]

Great point, Asana!

Quote (942767 @ Aug. 19 2013,09:15)Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 15 2013,17:42)Hi Everyone,All this wrangling is based on the presumption that Jesus (according to the traditions of men) is “The Word”.I agree with Ed that all the wrangling is because of the presumption that “the Logos” is Jesus.What we KNOW for a fact from scripture is that the Word BECAME…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Aug. 19 2013,08:47)Back to the topic.What the translators of the Coptic did has no bearing on what John 1:1 says in the Greek.That is like you posting the N.W.T. and claim that it proves your point; clearly it doesn't!Eddy,T8's point is simple.  Either you AGREE with your AKJV that Jesus called Judas “a devil”, or you DISAGREE with…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 19 2013,00:08)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 18 2013,11:17)Jesus is the Son of Jehovah of hosts. Where specifically does it say this in the scripture since you imply that it is a scriptural claim?Isaiah 96 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,10:04)And that’s just where Jesus publically alludes to his divinity.We don't deny that Jesus was divine, Colter.  Angels are also said to be divine in scripture.  And even we have the chance to partake in divinity, right?It seems you are arguing against us about things on which we agree.Our only difference is that we…[Read more]

Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,05:51) Quote (t8 @ Aug. 19 2013,21:41)I agree that Jesus existed with divine nature/in the form of God, emptied himself, came in the flesh, served God, died for humanity, rose from the dead, and is seated at the right hand of God in the glory that he had with the Father before the world began.I did not know you thought…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 19 2013,03:43)Quote (Colter @ Aug. 19 2013,17:29)The Son of Man existed with the heavenly Father before this word was, but you do not believe that.Rubbish.If you change “word” to “world”, then Colter's claim is not only scriptural, but exactly what Jesus said in John 17:5.He existed with much glory alongside his God and our God…[Read more]