Exactly Pierre.Wakeup is reluctantly learning these things in another thread……. which is why I won't bother to reply to his last post in this one.

Okay Gene.  Thanks for letting me know how you understand it.But don't you worry that your understanding could be wrong, since it requires you to add your own words into the scripture?The way I see it, the same exact “all things” that came FROM God, came THROUGH Jesus.And since I know that “ALL things”, including the heavens and the earth, came…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,00:22)Quote (jammin @ Dec. 19 2013,11:44)Did heb 1.10 say christ created NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH? OR JUST THE HEAVENS ARE MADE BY YOUR HANDS ETC?Jammin,Yes,  It states the new heaven and new earth are made by Jesus as that is true.Psalm 102:25 King Kerwin Version In the beginning you laid the foundations of the NEW…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2013,20:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2013,07:46)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2013,18:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2013,05:14)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2013,16:14)It is true that all things were created new by Jesus when he chose to sacrifice himself on the cross.Show me in scripture.  Also, show me from scripture the claim…[Read more]

Gene and Kerwin,Jesus said, “the glory I WAS HAVING“.Those words will NEVER mean, “the glory YOU HAVE BEEN HOLDING FOR ME“, or, “the glory YOU HAVE AFFORDED ME“ – no matter how much you WANT them to.The bottom line is that Jesus himself WAS HAVING GLORY before the world began.Let me ask you this, to see how honest you both are:Can you at least…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 19 2013,12:00)Mike,He stated that those who received the word of God were called gods in Scripture. The only ones I know that received the word of God were the children of Israel.Psalm 82 is about spirit beings, Kerwin……. not men.What sense would it make to tell a MAN that he was going to die like a MAN? You just need…[Read more]

Quote (4Thomas @ Dec. 18 2013,21:49)Jesus is eternally generated by the Fathers eternal expressive and active power.I can't read that in any scripture, Daniel. So how do YOU know such a thing?The fact is that you DON'T know it, but claim it anyway.Also, your post didn't come close to addressing any of the three GOOD points I made.I know you are a…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2013,18:13)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2013,05:14)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2013,16:14)It is true that all things were created new by Jesus when he chose to sacrifice himself on the cross.Show me in scripture.  Also, show me from scripture the claim you made to jammin………. the one that says the new heaven and new earth…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,18:14)MikeB.You said: no need to worship Jesus.I worship the ONE that Jesus himself worships, and taught us to worship.But we are already having this “worship” discussion in a different thread. No need to double up on it.

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,18:28)MikeB.To worship God is to follow the commandments.And God commanded the angels to worship him.Ahh………. but once again you are missing the point, Wakeup.Did God REALLY command the angels to “worship” Jesus?  Or could it be like the NWT translates it:Hebrews 1:6 NWTBut when he again brings his Firstborn into…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 18 2013,19:06)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2013,11:44)What a wonderful age to be a Bible student!  Praise Jah!MikeB.Dont make a habit of thanking man, and technology.Always thank God;it's all his work.Everything.Ah, you must not have recognized my last words on that post, since those words aren't in the KJV.  The Hebrew word “…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 18 2013,18:29)Give me the fun I had with you before 1930 does not seem to work out so well.Try the word “respect” instead.Respect me now with the respect I had with you in 1930.Or “honor”. In either case, the speaker actually HAD the respect/honor that he said he HAD. It doesn't speak about a respect/honor that the speaker…[Read more]

Kerwin,This seems to be a useless endeavor on my part, because you are going to twist the scriptures into teaching what you WANT them to teach – no matter what I do or say.But rest assured, the words “I HAD” are never said by someone who DIDN'T actually HAVE the thing before.

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,21:50)1 Bless the Lord, O my soul.O Lord my God, thou art very great;thou art clothed with honour and majesty.2 Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment:who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:3 who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters:who maketh the clouds his chariot:who walketh upon the…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 17 2013,21:50)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2013,06:58)Kerwin,Give it up.  Angels shouted for joy when God formed the earth.  That means they already existed before that time.You can play word games with “laid the foundations of the earth” all you want, but nobody here is buying your word-game nonsense except for you.Mike,It d…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 18 2013,08:04)Please answer me either “Yes”, your source is correct, or “If Not”, please provide some evidence that the article is false.And Mike, this one's especially for you!Matthew 15:9 King James Version But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.Mark 7:7 King James Version Howbeit…[Read more]

Quote (journey42 @ Dec. 18 2013,07:07)MikeBefore you try and convince me that the KJV was translated from the LXX,tell me if this article is a lie?journey,I have no reason to even read that article, since I've just listed PROOF of the LXX a couple of pages ago on this thread.The wording, “in vain do they worship me, teaching the commands of men as…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 18 2013,11:58)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 18 2013,13:38)Hi Mike,If you're not interested in peoples explanations to questions, why even bother asking them?  And why bother posting on forums for that matter then – seems you are a little inconsistent.EDif you have to take 5 pages to answer a question that can easy be answered by a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2013,16:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 16 2013,13:21)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2013,19:48)God chose to explain His relationship to Jesus as “Father/Son”.  He explained it this way to HUMAN BEINGS, who would only understand a “father/son” relationship in one way, ie:  the father ALWAYS exists before the son does.And I s…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 18 2013,14:32)The Father and the Son would be the creator Father of any other beings in heaven……….Listen to yourself, Kathi.The Father and Son together are the Father of the spiritual beings?We know that angels are called “sons of God”.  And we know that Jesus is a son of God.  That makes them brothers, as far as I…[Read more]