Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 30 2013,10:16)Mike……….Jesus became what was written in Scriptures and that Glory was also written there before he ever acquired it, Can't you see that? So in your understanding, Jesus could have spoken on earth about the time in the past when he had a sword coming out of his mouth and defeated death…….. all…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 30 2013,09:34)God never said Jesus was a preexisting Being who he would Morph into a human being not so much as one word saying that.The scriptures are LOADED with many such words, Gene. You just refuse to believe ALL OF THEM.As for Cyrus, “NO”, he could not speak from his own human point of view about a glory he had…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2013,18:58)Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 30 2013,06:50)……..He had glory with God before the world was.Wakeup,…..he was asking God for his glory that God had already prepared for him before the word began.  ……….he was foreknown to receive that glory.It's easy to see that Wakeup, in this case, is understanding Jesus'…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 29 2013,18:34)Wakeup,Jesus had glory that was with God before the beginning of the world.Jesus had not yet been given that glory as he was only then asking to be given it.This is what I meant by “scurrying” and “scampering”, Kerwin.Your first sentence speaks about a glory Jesus HAD, but then you scurry, scamper, and…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 29 2013,13:27)HE HAD GLORY WITH GOD **BEFORE THE WORLD WAS**.***HE*** HAD GLORY.That's right, Wakeup.Let me use your style to point out all of the important things in verse 5:***HE*** ***HAD*** glory ***IN GOD'S PRESENCE******BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN***

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 29 2013,11:58)Hi Mike:And so, where exactly does it say “that God gave him a greater glory than what he asked?Read my previous post to Gene for the answer.Quote (942767 @ Dec. 29 2013,11:58) And so, according to this scripture he has already given me the same glory that he gave to him although I do not at this time have the…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 29 2013,08:23)Mike…….Come on, that is exactly what you are saying , You believe Jesus was asking for that Glory that he already was having, as a preexistence Sentinel being returned to him. So why do you say “not exactly” then.I believe I explained that, Gene.  Jesus was asking to have a past glory restored to him.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,23:50)The message was given to Gabriel to deliver to Daniel and perhaps others. If you wish to call the message the word then Gabriel was given the word to deliver to David who wrote it down.The Hebrew says “word”. So yes, I consider the message God gave to Gabriel the “word of God” coming to Gabriel, who then gave…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,13:40)Mike,Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Verse 1:  When did God ever preside in a huge assembly of human god prophets, and pass judgment on them?I do not believe God is speaking to the prophets who merely convey his word.  He was speaking to the children of Israel who received his word as their law.  He always presides over th…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,23:46)Mike,They will die like mere men.As opposed to what?  Were they ever anything EXCEPT men?  Did they ever have a thought that they WOULDN'T die like the men that they were?  Show me the scripture where any member of the nation of Israel thought that they would NOT die like all men die.David, Samuel, and even th…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,23:44)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 29 2013,08:09)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,12:56)Mike,Quote 1 Peter 1:4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,Does Peter believe we already HAVE that inheritance of “praise, glory and honor” (verse 7)?  Or is this…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,13:40)Mike,Quote Verse 1:  When did God ever preside in a huge assembly of human god prophets, and pass judgment on them?I do not believe God is speaking to the prophets who merely convey his word.  He was speaking to the children of Israel who received his word as their law.  He always presides over the assembly of hu…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 28 2013,17:52)And so, Mike, you say:Quote That means he WAS HAVING that glory before the world began.And the fact that he uses the Greek word “para” in parallel is even more telling.He is asking to be glorified IN GOD'S PRESENCE (para) with the glory he had IN GOD'S PRESENCE (para) before the world began.And so, according to…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,13:31)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2013,23:41)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,13:27)Though it never states the word of the Lord came to any angel in Scripture………Are you blind, Kerwin?  Or just being willfully ignorant, as is your norm?Daniel 9:23 NRSV © At the beginning of your supplications a word went out, and I h…[Read more]

Hi Marty, Yes, Tertullian IS the one who coined the phrase “trinity”.  But that doesn't change the logic of his words that I quoted. Marty, did God,  ALONE and BY HIMSELF, create you?

Wakeup, Did you read fhe very last words in Pierre's post? Actually, I'm with the KJV on this one. I think “a devil” is the correct translation.

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,15:26)Mike,The celebration of the Second Temple occurred when/after the foundation was laid by the builders the people celebrated.  Does that seem strange to you?  Not at all.  It WOULD seem strange to learn that the temple had already been built BEFORE they laid its foundation. And that is what you claim happened wi…[Read more]

Kerwin,I and the sane people of the world already “perceive the whole picture” on this one. I'll leave you to your “search for the whole picture”.

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,13:04)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2013,23:47)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,13:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2013,23:43)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,00:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:47)Interesting.   What about John 17:24?  It is part of the same passage.  Where do you think Jesus wants them be with him – so th…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,12:56)Mike,Quote 1 Peter 1:4and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you,Does Peter believe we already HAVE that inheritance of “praise, glory and honor” (verse 7)?  Or is this inheritance being KEPT for us in heaven?The situation is if the inheritance is…[Read more]