Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,12:49) All I know is that God knew Jesus before the beginning of the world and had his glory ready for the time when Jesus would receive it.Look at your own words, Kerwin. “WHEN Jesus WOULD receive it”.In your mind, the glory was with God the whole time, and Jesus never actually HAD the glory before the world…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,15:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 28 2013,21:08)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,14:07)I actually challenged you to find where Jesus is called the Word previous to his conception and you failed to find a creditable reference.Challenge successfully answered:John 1:1 combined with John 1:14.The one who became flesh and dwelled…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 28 2013,13:58)Mike,Quote Now, since you know that flesh and blood CANNOT enter or inherit the kingdom of God, you have come up with the nonsensical notion that flesh and blood can't, but flesh and bone can, right?That passage does not say that only spirit can enter heaven and you know it does not but you keep acting like it…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2013,11:11)Mike………. Why not ignore them, then,  if you have no idea what they are actually saying, and to say that is not “SPECULATION” is simply untrue, if you ask me. When you are not sure of something and draw a some conclusion on it that is a Speculating Mike.Gene, scripture says “all things came FROM…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,13:47)I became offended at this and my father spoke to me stating”all that I have is thine”. Is my father correct? Is it still mine if my father wills it to me before I am conceived because he knows I will come be?Only IF you can personally take POSSESSION of the things your father is saying are “yours” will you be…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,13:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 27 2013,23:43)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,00:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:47)Interesting.   What about John 17:24?  It is part of the same passage.  Where do you think Jesus wants them be with him – so they can see that glory God has given him?  In God's presence in heaven?  Or…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,13:27)Though it never states the word of the Lord came to any angel in Scripture………Are you blind, Kerwin?  Or just being willfully ignorant, as is your norm?Daniel 9:23 NRSV © At the beginning of your supplications a word went out, and I have come to declare it, for you are greatly beloved. So consider the word a…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,16:57)Worship HIM:God was speaking to the angels.HIM is also God's Word.ALL authority is given to HIM; meaning HE can now act on his own.HE does not have to ask his father.So God, in telling the angels to worship God, said “Worship HIM“ – not “Worship ME“ ? Also, who gave the Word (who you think IS God Himself) all…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,14:02)Mike,Paul knew him after the event and he had a mortal body then. So you would have to claim his mortal body transformed into an immortal body then returned to being a mortal body even though not a word of that is mentioned in Scripture.Nor does your scripture explicitly say that a mortal body was in heaven,…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 28 2013,09:50)Mike ……..Every thing God created something Though we know the activity involved by the thing used , But you admit there is NO activity  known that Jesus had anything to do with the creation process on earth, so you at best are speculating.Gene,It isn't “speculation” to BELIEVE the scriptures that say…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,14:25)My support for believing both heaven and earth were created and filled at the same time is that Genesis 1-2 state uses a conjunction to state in the beginning God created them both.  It also states that it is an account of  the generations of the heavens and the earth.Like I said, you have the right to believe w…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 27 2013,18:46)MikeB.That is not the attuitude of a hungry spirit.Wakeup,I have been trying (successfully) to take your vague claims to task, so we can see if they really add up to a sound doctrine.And so far, it has resulted in you getting defensive any time your own doctrine pits you against scripture and common sense.Will…[Read more]

Quote (Wakeup @ Dec. 28 2013,07:46)MikeB.What you are doing is trying to put a divisionbetween God and his Word.If I point out that Moses was the man OF God, and not God Almighty Himself, would you accuse me of putting a division between God and Moses?All I'm doing is pointing out that the servants OF God are not actually God Himself, Wakeup.This…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 27 2013,14:07)I actually challenged you to find where Jesus is called the Word previous to his conception and you failed to find a creditable reference.Challenge successfully answered:John 1:1 combined with John 1:14.The one who became flesh and dwelled on earth with the glory of God's only begotten Son was called “the Word”…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,21:38)Journey,Paul speaks of it.2 Corinthians 12:2Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.Kerwin,Why do you think the body would have…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 27 2013,10:51)Mike, he had it from the foundation of the earth because it was a done deal from the beginning.Marty,Instead of rationalizing the crap out of this thing to FORCE it to align with your false, man-made doctrine – what if the words just meant the most likely thing those words could mean?  What if they simply meant…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 27 2013,09:56)Mike…….Why would it not be the same thing as Having it already, can God LIE?,What are you talking about?  What part of what I'm saying means God lied?  Gene, Marty, and Kerwin:You guys can “rationalize” this until the cows come home.  But the fact will ALWAYS remain that no one can ever speak of so…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,00:38)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:47)Interesting.   What about John 17:24?  It is part of the same passage.  Where do you think Jesus wants them be with him – so they can see that glory God has given him?  In God's presence in heaven?  Or on earth, away from God?Mike,Jesus is talking of the believers in gene…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,00:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:52)Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 24 2013,12:34)This allows him to give a person a “gift” before the person comes to exist.But it doesn't allow that person to say they WERE HAVING that gift before they actually had it.Mike,Actually it does as it is theirs and none others.Okay…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 26 2013,00:22)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 26 2013,03:37)Kerwin, Are you continuing to insist that the word of God didn't come to angels – after I just posted one scripture that proves you wrong – and pointed you to a second one? Did you read Rev 1:1 like I asked you to?Mike,Revelation 1:1 does not support you……….Yeah…[Read more]