Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 23 2010,03:41)But you ignore that Jesus said “Makes the (INSIDE) of the Cup clean so that the outside of it may Be clean also”.Hi Gene,This lesson from Jesus doesn't have to do with God's Kingdom, does it?  IMO, it has more to do with what Jesus said about eating without washing hands in Matt 16,17″Don't you see that…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 22 2010,19:38)Mike, Terra, SF,Sorry, I meant Exodus 23:20 and Exodus 33:14 ('My Presence') and Exodus 33:2.Hi JA,I'm saying how do you know the messenger was Jesus? Does the Bible actually say that? Or are you inferring it was Jesus? Could you show me the exact wording that spells out it was the Word or Jesus?peace and…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 22 2010,19:38)Mike, Terra, SF,Sorry, I meant Exodus 23:20 and Exodus 33:14 ('My Presence') and Exodus 33:2.Hi JA,I'm saying how do you know the messenger was Jesus? Does the Bible actually say that? Or are you inferring it was Jesus? Could you show me the exact wording that spells out it was the Word or Jesus?peace and…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ May 22 2010,14:59)Mike and JA,Zech 14:5b …The Lord, my God, shall come, and all the saints with thee.The One whose feet will land on the Mount of Olives at His bodily, visible return is the same Lord called “the Lord, my God.” And, as many New Testament verses indicate, He will be accompanied by the saints.1 Thessalonians 3:13…[Read more]

Hi Pierre and JA,T said:Quote you say;;;In Deuteronomy, God calls 'My Angel', 'My Angel will go before you.  what verse in Deut??? I echo that question.  Did the Bible say that angel was the Word or Jesus?  Where do you get this from.  Not the thinker, God forbid.peace and love,mike

Hi Jack,Run, run, run away.  It's what you do second best.  #1 is insult and belittle people who disagree with your doctrines.Instead of sitting on your high horse accusing me of heresy, why don't you prove my statement wrong?  All the necessary info is in the two posts I made.  Am I mistaken?  Show me how.This is typical trinitarian beha…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 22 2010,13:11)Remember your 50+ scholars that wrote the CEV?  Their footnote at Judges 13:22, where they put the word “angel”,  says,angel:The Hebrew text has “god”, which can be used of God or of other supernatural beings.–Mike.WJ, DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS POST.  (Reverse psychology.)

Hi Kathi,I'm waiting for you to explain it, because I sure didn't get that by reading it.nite,mike

Quote (Lightenup @ May 20 2010,15:40)The Arm can be a person and I suggest that the Arm is often the Son who is acting at the side of the Father as His Father's right hand 'man' although in the OT He was not a man, you get the idea, right?Hi Kathi,We are in agreement again! Oh happy day! I agree that the Son is the arm, or manifested power of…[Read more]

Quote (david @ May 20 2010,16:25)Mike, please do not be drawn in by Gene.  He spends about 1/4 of his time using the logic that:”'x' belief is not true because JW's believe it.”Hi David,I don't know how many times I get the “JW” slams against me.  WJ just did it again today.  We actually are going through every single Scripture that he thinks th…[Read more]

Hi Jack,You know what I think?  I think you've stalled and avoided moving on to the “right hand” issue until you could come up with an “excuse” to bail out for good.   That's okay, I'll just bring it up in a new topic.  So what have we both learned from our extremely long debate on “begotten” and “all creation”?I hold that “monogenes” means “o…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 20 2010,16:35)MikeWhere is the proof that this definition applied to Biblical Times? Did Jesus and the Apostles have a Websters dictionary? Proof Mike and not wishful assumptions!Hi WJ,Remember your 50+ scholars that wrote the CEV?  Their footnote at Judges 13:22, where they put the word “angel”,  says,angel:The H…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 20 2010,19:16)Mike,Anathema! Jesus is not a god in the “same sense” that Jesus is a god. Satan is a usurper. Jesus was the Eternal Word at God's side. Even if Jesus was a lesser “god” He is YOUR “god” Mike. Satan is not your god.You are a heretic Mike. Since I have been here no anti-trinitarian here has said that Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 20 2010,19:16)You're just a trouble maker Mike. If you had a full and meaningful life you would not be here so much stirring up trouble. You tipped me off to this by your reply to me after I asked you if you ever take a break. You said that this board replaces TV. This means you have nothing to do Mike. So you come here…[Read more]

Quote (Mayz @ May 20 2010,19:31)Jesus was in the beginning, because “The beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)”As to who he is, I don't know as mentioned earlier, No one knows who the son is.Hi Mayz and welcome,A lot of people get hung up on John 1:1. But you should know that the capital letters in…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 21 2010,06:45)Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable. How can unforgiveable blasphemy be committed against a person who is not God?Hi JA and KJ,The word blasphemy is never used about Jesus. It is termed, “anyone who speaks a word against me” when related to Jesus. It is termed “blasphemy” in regards to the…[Read more]

Quote (thethinker @ May 16 2010,09:58)I can't decide if I will continue discoursing with Mike or not. He lost the argument when he said that Jesus is a god in the “same sense” that satan is a god. I have never heard this one, not even from the most ardent Arian here. Mike's statement is totally anathema! He also lost the right hand argument when…[Read more]

I read it, and…..?

Hi Wj,Just answer this:  When it says “all power and authority”, does it mean above Jehovah or not?You said:Quote I do understand how your theology could lead you to that conclusion since you do not see the Father and Jesus as “One”. I believe them to be one in the same way we will be one with them.  And we will not be God Almighty, will we?In…[Read more]

Hi Kathi,I thought you said you were satisfied that Cyrus was the arm in one case.  Maybe I misunderstood?  The arm is the might, not another person or being.I don't think Jesus just hung out after creation either.  But I don't think he was his Father's “errand boy”.  There were many other servants around for the “hands on” stuff.  I picture Jesu…[Read more]