From Shimmer in the “Was Jesus Always Superior” thread:Mike, “Beloved, may we love one another, because the love is of God, and every one who is loving, of God he hath been begotten, and doth know God; he who is not loving did not know God, because God is love. In this was manifested the love of God in us, because His Son — the only begotten –…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2010,15:55)God is spirit, an infinite being, invisible, yet the source of all power. I believe at the foundation of creation an extension of the Father the “pre-incarnate Christ” was manifested, not a seperate being, but God Himself. It served as the interactive part of God in the OT.Hi Wm,Right off the bat, you are…[Read more]

Now………about God.Can anyone tell me what separates what IS God from what IS NOT God?peace and love,mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 15 2010,04:53)Mike………….Was Jesus (always) superior? yes in the Plan and Will of GODHi Gene,Thank you for your support of my claim. Please remember to keep the “non-preexistent” stuff on the appropriate threads. Thanks.mike

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 14 2010,15:02)Mal 2:7 “For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, and from his mouth men should seek instruction—because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty.Hey Pierre,I guess that Levi was “an angel” too then.  He was a “messenger of God's word”, so he must have had wings and lived in heaven just like…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 14 2010,14:30)How many times He wanted to gather them under his wing. But they would not. See, wing…angel,Hi Shimmer,Jesus was referring to a mother hen gathering her chicks under her wing to protect them.  This passage has nothing to do with any “wings” that spirit Jesus either has or doesn't have.And you are missing…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 14 2010,11:53)I want to start up a couple of seperate threads, theres too many different things here.Jesus as an AngelJesus begotten when ? (Hang on, thats allready been done)etc…later I might.Hi Shimmer and All,I agree with you here Shimmer.  This thread has “blossomed” into a lot of thoughts about a lot of different…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 14 2010,04:09)The closest you can come to putting an infinite “God in a container” has already been done… JesusHi Wm,Do you believe there is a boundary or barrier that separates what IS the being of God from what IS NOT the being of God?Do you believe Paul when he says there are both fleshly bodies and spiritual…[Read more]

I can't see where Gene or Kerwin would have a disagreement with it, nor any Christian denomination. Of course, the trinitarians would have to start fast-talking to change the meaning of “only begotten”!  mike

Pay attention here Shimmer.JA:Quote Mike can't reconcile scriptures with fleshly thinking.I reconcile them completely JA.  It is YOU who must rearrange perfectly clear scriptures like Col 1:16 to make them fit around YOUR theory.  I have no theories.  I just take the scriptures for what they say, and if they say all invisible things in heaven we…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 13 2010,22:16)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 13 2010,15:53)Are you ready to get into “begotten” yet?  Or should we come to a better understanding of each other on these other things first?Mike, ok, but im just taking an interest in what JA is saying at the moment. He has my attention, sorry, im still listening to you.Fair enough…[Read more]

Hi All,I find it all “scriptural”, knowing that “catholic” simply meant “universal”. It still does, but today it doesn't really represent the universal Church of God, but a sect.I would only take issue with #3. The words they use are “scriptural”, but the meaning is lost in the way they word it, I think.Jesus was conceived by God………BY…[Read more]

JA:Quote And Romans 8:38 says, 'Neither death, nor life, NOR ANGELS, NOR PRINCIPALITIES, NOR POWERS, nor things present (Visible), nor things to come (Invisible)…Let's read it in today's English instead of 17th century Olde English, okay?Romans 8:38 NRSV For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present,…[Read more]

Shimmer:Quote Do you read beginning to end, or just random books ?Beginning to end. Shimmer: Quote Yeah, but I BET that even they have some things wrong. But as you said, they have no personal agendas. Yeah thats true.Time will tell.  But you got my point.  Shimmer:Quote And these others who try to make scripture fit what THEY want it to say, w…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 13 2010,13:22)Scripture doesnt actually say anything about God procreating Jesus….before the world was created. If it does, where ?Scripture doesn't mention “procreate” at all Shimmer.  Scripture does say that God “brought forth” Jesus as the first of his works.  That means God “procreated” Jesus, because He “generated o…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2010,12:30)mikeyes,stupid is it,??PierreI loved it actually. But my point is that we assume that the being of God must take up immense amounts of space. Why couldn't it be like the little galaxy on the cat's collar in “Men in Black”?So to answer your question about what was included in “God's space” in the…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 12 2010,16:53)Inanimate is the wrong word. I used the wrong word, so 'no', Principalities, powers, etc., are not 'inanimate'…. “No, “inanimate” was the correct word – according to the rest of your post.Do you understand that “principality” in this case means “ruler”?  12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood,…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 13 2010,11:07)HI mikei got a little mind twister for you or any volunteer,wen God was alone so before Christ coming,what was his space???now that he create Christ (THE WORD)what was the space of God and what was the space of Christ??and wen as they were creating what space did all haveHi Pierre,Did you ever see the movie…[Read more]

Shimmer:Quote Mike, you should listen to the words of JustAskin, who, although often attacking people and annoying the heck out of them so it seems, in between all of that is truth. Which exact words, Shimmer?  Please repost the truthful words that JA posted and include the scripture(s) that tell you they're the truth.  And attacking people is n…[Read more]