Exactly Pierre,Shimmer, when did any of us EVER say God has a body of flesh and bone?Stick to the issue Shimmer.  Angels have wings, right?  We don't have wings, but yet we have bodies.Not only that, but angels DO have hands, because one of them picked up a hot coal and put it to Isaiah's mouth.  Or was it Jeremiah?  I don't remember right now…[Read more]

JA:Quote You now admit,     ha! Subtle!that it was at his resurrection that God said, 'You are my Son,..'But you forget, Mikeboll, …no you didn't forget…that it was after Jesus had died…and was raised again…raised in Triumph and Glory…when he was 'Raised above the Angels', given a name so much more wonderful than theirs…No JA.  I re…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 29 2010,00:08)Mike,If you have mistitled the thread, then you should stop it now and start another with the correct title.Posters are posting from the view point of the thread title.And why have you waited till now to make this admission? It wasn't an issue until now JA. Laurel is new to this thread, so I explained it to…[Read more]

JA:Quote This is the second time that, when confronted by something you cannot refute you make this underhanded claim of, 'I haven't looked into it yet'…yet, in the same bresthe, you make every statement under the sun refuting what i have said…JA, you believe that Ez 28:11-19 is in reference to Satan.  I've showed you the info from NETNotes,…[Read more]

Quote (Laurel @ Nov. 28 2010,13:59)Realistically you have to agree, Yahushua Messiah did not come here to rule with authority as a supreme one. He was a servant, a lowly one who stooped to wash the feet of His taught ones. One who hanged there on the stake and cried to His ABBA.  Remember?Hi L,Yes he was rich, but made himself poor for us.  This t…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 28 2010,12:44)Through Jesus, an Angel that was 'Perfect', glorious, radiant, beautiful to behold…the direct creation of God through Jesus created a being more glorious than the directly created of God himself…how is that possible?JA, you know nothing about Satan until what we're told about him in the Garden of Eden.…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 28 2010,12:44)Mikeboll,What part did 'Lucifer', Satan, play in thecreation of the heavens and earth?Why did he feel that he, of all creation, if he were thirshally (how do you spell it…third down the line) created through Jesus, claiming the greatest accollade of all, WORSHIP from God's greatest creation…God's greatest…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 28 2010,12:29)No, Jesus was not ALWAYS Superior, because at one point he was made LOWER than the Angels…JA,You mean the time when he was on earth as one of mankind, who were made lower than the angels?The time when he ordered demons around and they obeyed?  The time when he said he could have called 10,000 angels down to…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 28 2010,13:34)Mike,The verse you quoted, you forgot the rest of it… Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith to them, 'Peace — to you;'  and being amazed, and becoming affrighted, they were thinking themselves to see a spirit.  And he said to them, 'Why are ye troubled? and wherefore do reasonings come up in y…[Read more]

AHHHHHH! I just can't do it. I sincerely apologize to all who read my last post to JA.I will not resort to the things he does anymore. I didn't like myself when I used to fight fire with fire, and I certainly don't want to revert to my old ways. I acted more like Satan with that last post than like Jesus. Something is seriously wrong with…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 28 2010,12:46)WHY because scripture says that God and Angels are spirits and JESUS said spirits DONT have bodies.Jesus never said that Shimmer.  Jesus said that spirits don't have “flesh and bone”.Luke 24:39 NIVLook at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I…[Read more]

Poor, poor misguided and desparate JA.  Let's all feel sorry for him together, shall we?JA:Quote Did i not tell you beforehand that the debate would be over in one page.So what you're saying is that you knew you would lose before entering the debate, but you are getting the much needed feeling of “I was right” by losing the debate before we even…[Read more]

JA:Quote All things … We are back to defining 'things'.Well JA, if the “all THINGS” that are said to come from God in 1 Cor 8:6 include men and angels, then it stands to reason that the exact same “all things” that are said to come through Jesus in that same scripture also include men and angels.JA, it's just a matter of whether you think men…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Nov. 28 2010,07:33)Terra,So Adam was created through Jesus…please show me where it says that Jesus created Mankind.JA,No scripture anywhere says that Jesus created anything at all.  What scripture says in many places is that all things were created by God THROUGH Jesus.  Did God create men JA?  Okay, then they were created TH…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 27 2010,05:48)Hi Mike,Consider it dropped my friend!God blessEd J (Joshua 22:34)http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgThank you my friend. mike

Mark:Quote My answer to worshiping a prophet would be NO. My answer to worshiping his son sent, as prophesied in Isaiah as having the name MIGHTY GOD,FATHER FOREVER,PRINCE OF PEACE, my answer would be YES.Thank you for your DIRECT answer, Mark.  Please see my last post to Keith for further instructions.  (Just kidding about the “instruction” p…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Nov. 27 2010,06:04)MikeThe answer is NO, NO, NO. Now how do you answer my questions? Tell me how you can solve this conundrum that you have?Hi Keith, and thank you for your DIRECT response.So, we both would not ever worship someone who is not God.  The difference is that you think Jesus IS God, and I believe scriptures. As…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 27 2010,06:00)Mike,There obviously was something very significant and threatening to the Pharisees about Jesus claim to be the 'Son of God.'Hi Kathi,John 8:41You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”Kathi, those bolded words abo…[Read more]

Kathi:Quote Why are you not understanding that it is entirely possible that the word in Rev 3:14 is ruler and not beginning?I do admit that it could mean either in Rev 3:14.  I understand John to be saying “beginning” in that verse though.  It is my personal preference in that verse, and lines up perfectly with Col 1:15 and Proverbs 8.Kathi:Quote <…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 28 2010,09:29)To All…………….Here is something you may find interesting , i am not saying it is fact so don't go nuts Mike, But Jesus said something interesting , When he said you must be Born again, and He said you must be Born of Water and spirit. Question is, why Water, some think it means baptism, but i do…[Read more]