Btw Mark, thanks for coming!  I don't want this to be a big argument or “hate-fest”.  I just want it to be a few Christians digging deep and finding out if these “proof texts” really do prove that Jesus Christ is God Almighty.  If they do – great!  If they don't – great!  At least we'll both know what we're talking about and learn some thin…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 02 2010,10:35)His spirit did not change. God's sprit in me does not change.PeaceHi Mark,Luv ya too! So if it is God's Spirit that did not change, and it also doesn't change in you, then would you agree that the combination of these two scriptures don't really say that Jesus is God anymore than they say that YOU'RE God?If…[Read more]

Hi Pierre,There is a reason that Jesus said, “How then can he be his son, if David calls him 'my Lord'?”He obviously wasn't talking about some future greatness the Messiah would attain, for he was talking to people who were STILL expecting the Messiah – not knowing that Jesus was he.And the Pharisees must have understood the point Jesus was…[Read more]

“Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for the rest of his life.”mike

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 02 2010,02:22)MikeDid you even look at the definition of “Paradise”?Did you even check what the Hebrews believed as far as “Paradise” and the place of the dead?Hi Keith,I have three simple questions for you.1. Knowing the actual Greek words used, could it be translated either way? YES or NO.2. Scripture cannot be…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 01 2010,12:11)Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 01 2010,11:33)Mike, the thread is about 'Do Spirits have bodies', not 'AngelsReally JA?Hebrews 1:14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?But you think the thread is about “spirits”, not “angels”?  Interesting.mikeAnd also JA,1 Cor 15…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 01 2010,13:37)And Mike you have heard me wrong again, I have always believed Jesus has a body,Hi Shimmer,Thanks for the explanations about the arguing. I understand. I just couldn't see why you waited until I started retaliating before you said something “forceful”. I was “being good” for a long, long time and just taking…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 30 2010,22:22)I am not sure that there are not exceptions to the rule that genealogy is only traced through the Mother as:Hi Kerwin,Since Jesus was not the natural son of Joseph but was the Son of God, Luke’s genealogy of Jesus would prove that he was, by human birth, a son of David through his natural mother Mary. Regarding t…[Read more]

Gene:Quote Mike…………So Jesus then lied when he said he was the offspring of DAVID in Revelations. Because according to you he was not really right?Jesus didn't “lie” per se.  What do you think all of these mean?Romans 1:3 NIVregarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,Romans 9:5 NASBwhose are the fathers, and…[Read more]

Kerwin:Quote Could you also point out a scripture that implicitly states Jesus is or was an immaterial being as I have yet to read one of those either.1 Cor 10 NIV3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.1 Cor 15 NIV45 So it…[Read more]

No thoughts anybody? Keith? Mark? Dennison?How about any supporting thoughts? Pierre? Irene? t8?

Yeah, but you apologized “to some”, and I accepted and forgave. So while we're talking………….JA, the “all things” that came FROM God in 1 Cor 8:6 is the same “all things” that came THROUGH Jesus. If angels came FROM God, then angels came THROUGH Jesus.Can you refute this statement scripturally JA? mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 01 2010,11:33)Mike, the thread is about 'Do Spirits have bodies', not 'AngelsReally JA?Hebrews 1:14Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?But you think the thread is about “spirits”, not “angels”?  Interesting.mike

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 01 2010,11:45)Even Jesus did not 'go to paradise THIS DAY' but went into the grave for THREE DAYS and THREE NIGHTS. And was further more on earth for many days before going back to heaven,Yeah JA,My first response to Mark was that Jesus didn't even go to paradise until 43 days after he said this.But then Keith posted his…[Read more]

SF:Quote but its something you should understand that if this “great” leader/hero/rolemodel worshipped in Angel than so would you.its as simple as that, if he failed than so wuld you in the very same manner. What is there to learn from, we all would fail in the very same manner. That's silly D.  We are able to learn from his mistake so we DON'T…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Nov. 30 2010,19:41)Jesus Is Immortal.Yes D, He is immortal.  His God granted him immortality when his God raised him from the dead.  He is now a servant of his God and sits at the right hand of his God awaiting his God to place his enemies as a footstool so he can then conquer them.But he wasn't always immortal D.Romans 6…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 01 2010,05:08)Hi MikeActually that is the correct translation found in every major translation on BlueletterBible.org.It is the NWT that once again corrupts the meaning of the text.Hi Keith,So then Jesus took this sinner to Hades with him? And Hades is “paradise”?Be smart Keith. Here's the actual Greek words:and he…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Nov. 30 2010,21:31)I'm not stupid enough to get into an argueing contest with you .Hi Mark,It isn't arguing if both decide to believe the scriptures for what they say.  I personally think you're scared to face the truth Mark.  You have nested yourself comfortably in this “Jesus is God”  belief, and you don't want to move.  W…[Read more]

Yes JA. We all know you lost the battle. But thanks for reminding us. You and your friend “Lucifer” (whoever that is) have fun sulking. And what I post to Shimmer is my business.mike