Ezekiel 34:23-24 NIV23 I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd. 24 I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the LORD have spoken. Micah 5:4 NIV4 He will stand and shepherd his flock   in the strength of the LORD,   in the m…[Read more]

Hi All,I've been wanting to do this for a while now.  It seems we are refuting the “Jesus is God” believer's “proof scriptures” so often, that we never get the chance to have them answer to the MANY scriptures that CLEARLY teach that Jesus is NOT God.This thread is NOT for any discussion whatsoever.  This thread is ONLY for posting scriptures t…[Read more]

Hi B,Paul says the last Adam became a life-giving SPIRIT. What of that scripture? He also says flesh and blood can't inherit God's Kingdom. (1 Cor 15)mike

Quote (francis @ Dec. 09 2010,06:46)4)… You've assumed that when it says Jesus Christ came in the FLESH, then that must mean that Jesus couldn't be both 100% human and 100% God (the 2nd person of the Trinity), when Christians believe and the Bible teaches that Jesus was both.Not true Christians. And not any Bible I've read.

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,09:40)If Christ the Son is not the Father, God Almighty, then the question becomes, “Just Who is He, since there is only one God Who holds the same title as Christ as the One and only Savior?”:“   What's harder to fathom?  That a Son is his own Father and a Father is his own Son?  Or that more than one person h…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,10:49)Mike wanted scriptures about God and what not,and i believe they make a good case.I've got all the “Jesus is God” scriptures I can handle in the thread with that title. Why don't you come join in over there? You can defend some of these “proof texts” in the absence of Mark. mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,09:40)Jesus Christ is not a second god, sub-god, semi-god, quasi-god, or part of a trinity god, but is very God, Lord of lords, the Creator of all things.Hey D,Need I read farther? Is God His own “anointed one”? Is He his own messenger? Is He his own “servant”? Did He raise Himself from the dead while dead?…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 09 2010,11:42)people today may see strange to see respect and deep affection for a women ,but it can also the most destructive player,(Salomon Knows)Yes, Solomon also knows about the destructive part too, doesn't he? It was one of his wives that lead him away from Jehovah and to the worship of idols toward the end of his…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 08 2010,08:40)after the flood the angels could not materialize themself, look at Job,this is a good example,Satan himself ,but how did he test Job ;yes there were wicket people on earth this is true ,also superstitious people yes,but were are the angels ?gone Peter say they(demons) hold up in dungeons,they angel wen back…[Read more]

Hi Shimmer,That is wild about the mules, huh?  Who knows?  And I'm going to read Enoch sometime.  I read a couple of chapters at Ed's urging, and came across something interesting.You know how Moses told God he didn't want to speak to Pharaoh because he was “uncircumcised of toungue”?  Enoch tells of an angel touching Moses' lips with a hot coa…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,11:03)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 08 2010,03:32)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 07 2010,17:29)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 06 2010,10:55)I just can't stand it when someone starts changing scripture to fit their personal views.  mikeHi Mike,You mean like you wanting to add the indefinite article ‘a’ to John 1:1 to fit ‘you…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 08 2010,22:27)I will come on from time to time and check the members who seem genuine, loving and understanding,Hi Mark,And because I believe the scriptures, and the scriptures never say Jesus is God……..am I disingenuous and unloving?mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,15:27)Mike,Im surprised that you dont force Irene and Pierre to answer the Question directly.dont you agree its unfair that i asked a direct question that they couldnt even give me a direct answer?when I, WJ, KJ, Or LU dont answer your question directly, you put a big fit, dont you think we should deserve the…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,15:25)I wouldnt claim that Satan is a god, and scriptures are very clear that he is an angel, nothing more.Hi D,2 Corinthians 4:4 NIVThe god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,15:19)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 08 2010,07:55)Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,06:51)but these people most likely will respond to you,What people?I meant to say the group “path of Truth”Okay, thanks to you and Ed. I'll check it out soon. I haven't even found time yet to visit your new thread D. Soon! mike…

Hi Keith,Have you checked out the “pre-existent scripture database” thread yet? (also listed on page two of this thread)Can you think of any to add to it?mike

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 09 2010,10:46)Mike, sometimes peoples understanding comes through the Holy Spirit. When this happens scriptual verses come to mind but presenting it tidy and well quoted with dictionary help and so on doesnt happen. Whenever I have been shown things, nothing is done like this. It's all 'random' I guess is the word.Hi…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 09 2010,06:38)GMOne flesh is not figurative. The physical joining of two become one flesh. Paul calls it a Mystery. Though our minds cannot comprehend how man and woman can be “one flesh” yet be two persons, nevertheless it is so.Hi All,I think this explains the mystery fairly well:1 Corinthians 6:16 NIVDo you not…[Read more]

Quote (Keith @ 1)So it is that Jesus was not the Christ until he came in the flesh though Paul refers to the “Spiritual Rock” that followed the children of Israel as the same person “Christ”.You do get this don't you?Okay, if Jesus wasn't God's “anointed one” yet in the wilderness, then what was he?  Oh, that's right!  He was the MESSENGER of G…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 06 2010,20:45)You say Jesus the firstborn of many brothers is a different son of God than you. If you have any brothers or sisters are you the same as them or equal to them?I wouldn't be considered equal to the firstborn in the Hebrew culture Tim.  The firstborn received a double share of the inheritence.  So even if I am s…[Read more]