Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 12 2010,07:38)It's amazing that you are suggesting such a silly thing that I am implying that Paul is suggesting that we will be raised up as 'Sun, moon and Stars'.Very good JA.  We are making headway.  We have jumped one hurdle successfully, here's the next:JA, can you BRIEFLY and DIRECTLY answer this point?Paul said t…[Read more]

Listen Gene.  I'm going to address your points one at a time for the last time.  I will number my points.  If your next post to me does NOT actually ADDRESS these points in a similarly numbered fashion, so as to actually ACKNOWLEDGE that you read them and ANSWER them, I'm done with you on this topic.  You and JA are very similar in your pos…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,21:33)Mike: Please be sure you know that I have never put myself anywhere with God.That's good to know, Tim.  I must have misunderstood you.  I thought you were saying we were all “God/Men”.Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,21:33)If God and Jesus and the holy spirit are one, and I believe they are and they dwell in t…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,07:00)Hey Mike: I hope that whatever language a person learns the Bible in, God accepts that language. Here is something interesting I noticed in Genesis but you will probably have to see this in the KJV. You may have seen this long before but its somewhat new to me. The transltors translated God as “God” on the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:52)MikeAs far as JA I agree, however my point is for you to make statements of judgment about someones faith as if you know their heart is wrong.You come across as if only you are fully convinced of the truth and no one else is.WJKeith, if your faith tells you that Jesus is God Almighty, then not only your…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:48)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,11:36)Keith, I won't discuss the trinity with you anymore in the same way we always have discussed it.  You jump from point to point without ever addressing the fact that not one of those points mean Jesus is God.If you want to discuss trinity matters with me, then we…[Read more]

Quote (PaulCohen @ Dec. 12 2010,04:02)Mike, I am interested in talking to you as one human being to another, but not in your artificial debate parameters. Your actions and suggestions are cowardly and dishonest.Hi Paul,If you're not interested in taking it point by point, then it is YOU, sir, who is the coward and dishonest. I don't like reading…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 12 2010,03:52)Mikeboll quite rightly 'ignores' my postI ignore many of your posts JA. It seems you would rather “hear” yourself talk than address the points we raise.God gave you two ears and only one mouth for a reason JA. You should listen twice as much as you speak. Answer my points in the last post or I'm done even…[Read more]

JA,You are so off base it isn't even funny.Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 12 2010,03:52)Paul quite clearly outlines two sets of bodies: Celestial and Terrestial.Mikeboll and his companions wrongly, and in my opinion, deliberately mistranslate 'Celestial' as meaning 'of Heaven'.Irene claims that her dictionary told her that that is what it meant but as…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:10)MikeYour statement is circular. JA is right. Only Mike knows everything that is true here.And just for the record, this kind of statement is worse than anything I've said to Mark.JA has also called you “a god in your own mind” and has said other derogatory things to and about you.  Things that I…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:10)BTW Jesus is not the servant Messiah at this time Mike.But there are 4 scriptures in the Book of Acts that disagree with you.Btw, I started off on this thread with care and gentleness toward Mark.  I told him on one of the first pages that this is not meant as some kind of “hate fest”, but just a…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,02:21)Mike: I see your point but Jesus said theos was sufficient to express God or God was enough to express theos so if I use God in my expressions I know he will hear. If we are to learn everything Jesus said and did in the Hebrew language I am in  deep —-! God Bless, TK  That's funny about the deep doo-doo.  …[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,03:00)You are correct the NET is Trinitarian and that shows you their honesty. You are so quick to jump on the NETs notes when you like it but what about all the scriptures that they disagree with you on? Shall we quote the NET on those?Hi Keith,My point is that if even the trinitarians think the word “God”…[Read more]

Hey Keith,Would you like to start at the beginning of this thread and take Mark's scriptures one point at a time?If not, then you popping in here and there with your “I and the Father are one” stuff doesn't get anyone anywhere.As far as Mark's relationship with God, I know that he has been mislead into thinking that Jesus is God instead of the…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 12 2010,02:22)I do take the blame Mike, but the fact is my statement was true, many times people will bring up the Trinity in response to me even when I am not speaking of the Trinity, just so they can add validity to their statement, so they think. It is like attacking EDj for using numbers even if his statement…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 12 2010,01:30)“””1 Timothy 3:16God was made manifest in the flesh. “””If this was to be taken literal, then what Jesus said earlier, John 5:37, could not be true. It was Jesus, representing the Father, who came to reveal the Father to us, that is meant by that.Hi Georg,Save your breath.  Mark (mikeangel) has bailed from sight.…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2010,01:58)Mike………And what of you scriptural contradictions and dishonest approaches as changing word in the text and forcing them to you personal conclusions as i have just posted to you concerning where you change the text to say flesh and (blood) where Jesus said flesh and (Bone), You present yourself as a…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2010,01:49)Mike……….Their actual Physical bodies is not Paul's point it is what is (IN) those bodies , he is not talking about the substance or there make up of the body.No Gene.  Not at all.  Paul's WHOLE point in that passage was to answer the question:  “What kind of BODIES will we be raised in?”Then he go…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,01:48)To the Jews and or the Hebrews YHVH is the name they used. It is true that Jesus used a title for God in the New Testament, to be more inclusive in the scope of authority & magnificence maybe.The Jews used the PERSONAL NAME that God Himself told Moses.  YHVH also said, “This is my name FOREVER”.  And we d…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 11 2010,14:33)Mike!  Since JA is still being nasty, I have decided not to post to Him again….This is so ridiculous to say the least….JA does not care what Scriptures say about Spirit Beings……Peace and Love IreneHi Irene,I had thought the same thing, that I just wouldn't post to him when he's being nasty.  But that's n…[Read more]