Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 20 2010,17:06)Quote But Keith and SF were implying that Titus 2:13 taught that Jesus was God Almighty Himself, and I'm sure you don't think it means Jesus is the only UNbegotten God, do you?When did I imply this? Since im super late in finding this thread, can you tell me from what thread did i imply this? It must have…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 20 2010,17:03)Lets get something straight, are you stating that you (Mike) believe that Jesus is a God, but not THE God. correct yes or no?Are you kidding me D?  I've only posted this about 1000 times on this site.  Don't you remember KJ getting all bent out of shape because I said “Jesus is a god in the same sense t…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 20 2010,11:57)I think that it is obvious that Paul understands that there is a Father and a Son, he has clearly made a distinction that there are two and that the Son is not the Father and the Father is not the SonThis part of what you said is clearly evident from scripture, Kathi. The “deity” part, not so much.But here's…[Read more]

Hi Irene and Pierre,We should all save our breath when it comes to Gene and the pre-existent topic.  When someone will go as far as INSISTING that John 1:14 says “the Word CAME TO BE IN SOMEONE WHO WAS FLESH”, when that's not what God's inspired words actually say, we have passed into the territory of casting pearls before swine, IMO.Irene, it…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 21 2010,08:46)The Spiritual BodyBy David Pyleshttp://www.pb.org/pbdocs/spiritual_body.htmlIt is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. – 1Cor 15:44Unfortunately, there are some who misuse this scripture in argument against a bodily resurrection, and some…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,18:33)Mike………..A spirit (intellect) is what posses everyone it just depends on what KIND it is , Clean or unclean , good or evil Spirit is Just (INTELLECT) it is what animates people to do what they do, when are you ever going to get that?. GOD is SPIRIT and can be (IN) a person just as He was (IN) Jesus.…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 20 2010,15:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2010,14:23)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,11:53)Mike…………In case you not understanding as it appears , I will repeat it to you . Angels are (NOT) Spirits they Have SPIRITS (IN) themHebrews 1:14 NIVAre not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 20 2010,13:32)Mike! The Bible is not always written in chronological order. When I read John 17:5 it says that He wants the glory back which He had with His Father before the world was. Now ask yourself, is that what Jesus asked his Father before his resurrection or after His resurrection? I say AFTER.Hi Irene,I guess I…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,11:53)Mike…………In case you not understanding as it appears , I will repeat it to you . Angels are (NOT) Spirits they Have SPIRITS (IN) themHebrews 1:14 NIVAre not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?Shimmer and Gene, what is it about this scripture that you don't…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,11:39)Mike………..What makes you so different then the Gnostic's, there end was to separate Jesus from Human Likeness,I believe that Jesus TRULY came in the flesh Gene.  That right there makes me different from the Gnostics.  I don't believe in a three member “Godhead” Gene.  That right there makes me di…[Read more]

Okay Kathi,Can you find me any other instance in scripture where Paul calls Jesus by the title “god”………IN HIS OWN WORDS, not quoting scripture?And why are YOU so “intent” on 2:13 NOT refering to Jehovah? peace and love,mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,10:51)Spirit does not have a BODY IT IS WHAT LIVES (IN) BODIES,Why Gene?  Why?Why do you keep posting the same thing when you agree that angels have bodies and scripture says angels ARE spirits?You agree that Jesus has a body, and scripture says Jesus IS now a spirit.I just don't get it.  It's like you just p…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 20 2010,08:45)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 20 2010,03:43)Quote (Baker @ Dec. 20 2010,02:51)Mike!  I too agree that Jesus was in the flesh when he rose from the death.  The reason i say that is Jesus asked his Father this Jhn 17:5   And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before th…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 20 2010,07:15)Yes I know you say you never heard it from them, you learnt it from scripture….yeah right. Shimmer, why would you imply that I've lied to you?  Have I ever lied to you before?  Quote (shimmer @ Dec. 20 2010,07:15)You will see there and anywhere else on the net how Gnostics believe just as JWs do on Jesus b…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ Dec. 20 2010,05:20)Despite our differences of views, we doubtless cross and run along each other's thought lines occassionally. And these recent last posts have seen us on the same lines. Why?You tell me.  What you posted is what I've been saying all along.  You seemed to have resisted the fact that Jesus is now a spirit at f…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,04:52)Mike…………Question was the US a GOD also and the OUR a GOD too. ? Gene, there is only ONE God who created all things, right?  So, “NO”, the US could not be ANOTHER God.Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,04:52)I say that because the text is (INCLUSIVE) of the Person speaking and those he is speaking…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,04:36)Mike…………You are an artist at twisting what scripture plainly say i will give you that. Why is it we have to go through all these twist and turns to make scripture say what you want it to say all the time?Gene,I KNEW you were going to say that!  It is not me, but the NIV and NET scholars who are…[Read more]

Hi All,I think God was talking to Jesus when He said, “Let US make man in OUR image”.  1.  Jesus is the ONLY one in scripture who is said to have any part in God's creation, therefore the “Let US make” would work just fine.2.  Jesus was also the only one besides man who is said to be made in God's image, therefore the “OUR image” would work ju…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 20 2010,03:19)Job 19: 26…….> And though after my skin worms destory this body, YET IN MY (FLESH) SHALL I SEE God:Job 19 NIV26 And after my skin has been destroyed,   yet in my flesh I will see God;Footnote “e” says:Job 19:26 Or And after I awake, / though this body has been destroyed, / thenAnd Footnote “f” says:…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 20 2010,02:51)Mike!  I too agree that Jesus was in the flesh when he rose from the death.  The reason i say that is Jesus asked his Father this Jhn 17:5   And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.  if Jesus was resurrected as a glorified body, He did not…[Read more]