Quote (francis @ Jan. 16 2011,04:50)Keep this in mind… it is apparantly your opinion that God is NOT calling Jesus God in Hebrews 1:8.    I don't hear you arguing that Hebrews 1:8 MAY or COULD be interpreted as something else… but THAT IT SHOULD BE interepreted a certain way… your way.  And thus if all you can argue is that it is li…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2011,05:09)Hi AllIn the debates thread Mike asked Francis a quesiton which I am quiet sure Francis can answer even better than I. But I will answer his question even though it is a loaded question…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2011,12:32)Does having the word “elohim” applied to one necessarily mean that one is God…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 16 2011,08:35)Interesting Jesus said he was not a Spirit as they supposed him to be and Said a Spirit does not have flesh and bone as he hadHmmmmm………so what does that teach us, Gene?  That AT THAT TIME, Jesus was NOT a spirit, right?But why do you stop there?  Why not continue to believe the other scriptures t…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2011,07:22)Wow, so Jesus is not your Savour?Hi Keith,Isaiah 19:20It will be a sign and witness to the LORD Almighty in the land of Egypt. When they cry out to the LORD because of their oppressors, he will send them a savior and defender, and he will rescue them.Jesus is the vessel through whom his God chose to…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 15 2011,08:27)BUMPED FOR MIKEBOLL:TO ALL:Mikeboll has dogmatically claimed that Jesus is a god who “came into being” after YHWH. Keith has corrected Mike about this many times but Mike has given Keith a deaf ear. Isaiah 43:10 explicitly says that before and after YHWH there was no God “formed.” The LXX uses the…[Read more]

Like I said Gene,There is nothing I can do for you.  You continue to ignore scriptures in favor of your own brain.  When you decide to actually address how a scripture that specifically says Jesus is now a spirit doesn't really mean Jesus is now a spirit, let me know.Until you address the actual scriptures that you disagree with, there is no r…[Read more]

Quote (francis @ Jan. 15 2011,07:24)DROP THE BOMBS ALREADY!!!!!!!!!???Pheeeeewwwwwwwwww……………BOOM!  Let's examine what Biblical scholars have to say about the Psalm that was quoted in Hebrews 1:8-9…….Psalm 45 NWT 6 God is your throne to time indefinite, even forever;CEV6You are God, and you will rule forever as king. Footnote A:  P…[Read more]

Whoa Francis………….why so testy?  I was patiently awaiting a response from you to my last post about the word “elohim” as directed by this post you made:Quote Mike… it's 1 am my time and I was planning on going into work at 6:30 am.  So I'm already having to debate whether or not I'm going to do that now because it's way too late.I'll t…[Read more]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 16 2011,01:37)What amazes me is how you people can take a scripture and read so much into them that are not specifically said and swear it is the truth, No scripture shows any one alive without a BODY except GOD who live vicariously (IN) his CREATION>First Gene, scripture doesn't ever say that God doesn't have a…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ Jan. 16 2011,01:46)Like radio waves, Spirits are Everywhere all at the same time.Hi Astari,First, you know nothing more about “dimensions” than any other human being in existence, so don't speak as if you do.Second, if spirits are “everywhere all at the same time”, then how could Satan and a third of the angels be thrown OUT OF…[Read more]

You know what, guys? I thought I could have an intelligent discussion with you. You have failed me.Let's just nip this in the bud:We know from scripture that having the word “elohim” applied to you does NOT necessarily mean you are God Almighty. We know the same thing from Strong's definition of “elohim”. And that's really all there is to…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2011,02:50)MikeDoes “Elohim” in Genesis 1:1 mean “Supernatural Supreme Being”?No Keith, it doesn't. “Elohim” in Gen 1:1 means “leader” and that word is APPLIED to the One who we know from context is the “Suprenatural Supreme Being”. If you can't understand the diffence in those two things, then this discussion…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 2011,03:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2011,10:45)In fact, there is much evidence to the contrary, seeing how the word was often applied to mere humans.This is laughable. Mike have you actually counted how many times in the Bible the word “Elohim and Theos” refer to the One True God in contrast to men?You want to…[Read more]

Hi Keith,Do I know more than Strong?    Is what I posted wrong?  Did I misspeak about Dagon and Molech?  Address the POINT I made instead of DIVERTING that point into a false accusation that I think I know more than Strong.Address the POINT, Keith…….and show me how I'm wrong about what I said.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 16 201…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 15 2011,10:47)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 14 2011,18:43)So……………DO YOU AGREE that the word in and of itself doesn't mean one is “God”?Yes, Context Mike.WJThe above is actually what you said, Keith. You said “YES”, the word itself doesn't mean one is God.Let me ask you guys a very simple question that you have…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 15 2011,19:24)Second, Strong's says that the word “elohim” applies to the SUPREME GOD and “occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates” (# 430). Was James Strong “dishonest” Mike?Hi Jack…………..(that's funny because “hijack” is what you've been doing to this thread!    )You are going into d…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 15 2011,17:57)Lol… Mike… You just said the same thing twice.D, if you seriously think I've just said the same thing twice, then maybe your understanding is not up to this conversation.  No offense, but seriously.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 15 2011,17:57) “elohim” is defined by its context? is it not?NO.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Jan. 14 2011,22:04)By the way what scripture states all flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven? Such a scripture does not exist nor have you explained why you believe Paul meant that in 1 Corinthians 15.Hi Kerwin,There is nothing in your post that changes the fact that FLESH cannot enter heaven.Do you suggest that…[Read more]

And Istari…………This is from some definitions of “body” that Kerwin posted:3 a : a mass of matter distinct from other masses  b : something that embodies or gives concrete reality to a thing; also : a sensible object in physical spaceThis is how I understand “bodies”.  Many are focused only on bodies as we understand them on earth.  But a…[Read more]

Hi Astari,I pray that God is blessing you abundantly.Quote (Istari @ Jan. 14 2011,20:15)Mikeboll64, what separates one angel from another?Well, since Angels/Spirits are 'Immaterial Beings' there is no need of a separating element.So they all just blend together into one being?  How does one angel know he's talking to Michael and not to Gabriel?…[Read more]