Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 23 2011,03:08)MIke………….Go do a Search on the WORD ELOHIM and you will find it is a PLURAL WORDHi Gene,I have a better idea.  Why don't YOU go and read my posts in the “Plural God” debate I had with Jack a few months ago.  I researched diligently and as a result have probably forgotten more about the plural w…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 23 2011,03:19)If you take Bible inerrant then I can't help you which is proved null and void by many Biblical scholars. An ordinary reader can find such errors and contradictions in our Bible right from Genesis to Revelation.Hi Adam,I believe (as you already know) that ALL scriptures, OT and NT, are inspired of God and that…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,09:47)We know Deborah is not God almighty because she is a mortal human being who does not have all authority and power of an infinite God, don’t we? First, Jesus has exactly the amount of power and authority his God gave him.  Same as Satan.    Same as the angels.  And same as Moses and Deborah.  Now, did Je…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,09:28)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 22 2011,13:56) Hmmm……..where else in scripture is a SERVANT OF GOD ALMIGHTY referred to as “elohim”?    Oooh, oooh, I know one!  Hebrews 1:8!         You mean a servant of “ruler Almighty” don’t you? Who is “Ruler Almighty”? I don’t see any translations rendering “theos”…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,09:23)Here’s how it is Mike, “elohim” refers to God Almighty only when you say so, right?Yes Keith! Now you're getting it. Except it's not “when I say so”, it's when context dictates.Do you know of another “elohim” that Deborah was a representative of?Look back at you whole post Keith. This is the kind…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,06:17)Why did you avoid my question and not answer again Mike?  When Jesus is referred to as “elohim” or “theos” does it absolutely and positively mean he is “Not” God Almighty?If so please explain how you know this.OK I didn't see your post above so good for you Mike. So now you can't say that when the…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 23 2011,11:10)Hi Keith,The word “exact representation” is the Greek “charakter” and means “indistinguishable.” Hi Jack,”Charakter” is also the word for the MARK left by an engraving tool.  The MARK left, while reflecting the image OF the tool, is not the tool itself.Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 23 2011,11:10)Of course…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,10:09)You left out the word “exact”. If someone is an “exact” representation of you then it is you or it is not “exact” is it?Keith,Look up the word “representation”. Even if Jesus was an EXACT CARBON COPY of God, he is still NOT the original, or he wouldn't be called a REPRESENTATION OF THE ORIGINAL.mike

Hey Keith,Where's MY “excellent”?

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 23 2011,07:43)Wow! So when God said, “Besides me there is no Savior” He was wrong?He actually says, “APART FROM ME, there is no savior”.Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ Jan. 23 2011,07:43)God said that there were no gods “formed” besides Him or that “came to be” after Him.No again.  He actually said “no ELOHIM”, not “no gods”.…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,04:32)No, since the word is also used to identify the “One True God” then you have to prove to us why Jesus is “Not” God Almighty when the scriptures call him God.Already answered.  The son of someone can't possibly be the one he is the son of…………unless you have another supporting instance of this…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,03:31)The Joke is on you Mike because you cannot tell us in what way Jesus is not “God Almighty”, because you can't say he isn't called God, and you sure can't show us a scripture that says he is not God Almighty can you?Hi Keith,Are you saying you can't refute what I said:Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 21…[Read more]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack Jr. @ Jan. 23 2011,03:48)This topic is to the point for the word “God” by itself is a meaningless term. Predicates are needed to define what God is.For instance, God IS rest. Christ is rest. You just don't want accept the CLEAR and NECESSARY inference.Quote This topic is to the point for the word “God” by itself is a…[Read more]

This thread is a diversion and pointless. Nothing you posted nor nothing the scripture says implies that Jesus is God Almighty.Answer my huge question from the other post, Jack. In fact, answer ANY point I've made. You never really do. You just keep starting more and more diversion threads.Why don't you stand and defend the first claim you…[Read more]

Bump for JackThe Father cannot be said to be the “exact representation” of God, for He IS God.  For anyone or anything to be a representation of something, those two things cannot be the same thing.  And since it is said that Jesus is the exact representation, not of THE FATHER, but of GOD, then Jesus cannot actually BE God.

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 22 2011,03:21)MIke……….The difference is You do believe in some of the same things about Jesus as the Trinitarians do by your own admissionAs do you apparently. You seem to believe in a plural God, just like they do. I don't. I know that YHVH our God is ONE.mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 23 2011,01:51)Mike……………..NO  (PHYSICAL MATTER) of any KIND can enter (INTO) the (KINGDOM OF GOD) it (THE KINGDOM OF GOD) must enter into us. “the kingdom of God comes not with “OBSERVATION” IT IS (WITHIN) YOU”. YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BECAUSE IT IS SPIRITUAL IT IS NOT PHYSICAL. ALL PHYSICAL life BEINGS HAVE SPIRITS…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,02:18)MikeYour statement was not in reference to anything just a pop shot.As opposed to Jack's searching and thoughtful comments about ME? By the way, I was raised in Iowa, and we called it a “pot shot”. Interesting. peace and love to you Keith,mike

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 22 2011,20:30)I don't know if it went well for Mike or not, or perhaps it was you that lacked understanding.It's going fantastically well for Mike over there.

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 22 2011,16:53)1. So what does the Father mean to you?2. and what does the Son mean to you?3. and what does God mean to you?1. One who has brought forth offspring.2. One who has been brought forth by his father.3. The Almighty Creator of heaven and earth…………not to be confused with “elohim”, which does NOT…[Read more]