Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,08:44)Irene……….O really then just produce one where Jesus said He Preexisted His Berth on earth as any kind of “BEING”.Hi Gene,Why don't YOU produce one where Jesus says, “I only ever existed as a human and my life didn't begin until I was born of Mary”?JUST PRODUCE ONE, Gene.mike

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 25 2011,03:01)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,01:18)Georg……………SO, Were also not in the Plan and will of GOD , Just as Jesus was right, “FOR WHOM HE FOREKNEW HE ALSO PREDESTINED TO BE MADE INTO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON” , it ALSO SAY JESUS WAS SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH, but was he literally slain from the…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 24 2011,14:26)Jews believe that Messiah will be greater king than David.Hi Adam,They do/did?  That's funny, because then what Jesus said to them about David calling his descendent “my Lord” would make no sense whatsoever.  If the Messiah IS supposed to be greater than David, then why didn't the Pharisees just say, “The M…[Read more]

Keith and Marty,Shouldn't this Matt 28:19 discussion be on the JA vs WJ thread?mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 24 2011,16:22)Actually is not just Reference in of God almighty but the reference if a “supreme being” was mentioned.For example the calf was called a “elohim”, which the subject meant they were calling the calf a “supreme being”.When Paul was presenting the “unknown god” he used theos to present a “supreme being”.…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 24 2011,16:06)No Mike, as i said before everything is based on Context even Theos. And God. I can say that “James bond” is the God of the ladies, but doenst make James bond a true God at all.Get what im saying?I DO get what you're saying, D.    So as soon as I hear from Francis, we'll be able to start delving into t…[Read more]

Hi Gene,Were you drunk when you wrote that last post? Anyway, why don't you tell us all what Jesus was teaching the Pharisees in the passage I posted? Please.mike

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2011,09:17)but all i have ever read and studied show ELOHIM as a PLURAL EXPRESSION OF A SINGULAR GOD.Like I said, go read the debate………at least MY posts. Did you know Nebuchadnezzar was called the “KINGS of kings”? The first plural word “KINGS”, exactly like elohim, denotes majesty. The second one means…[Read more]

Quote (mikeangel @ Jan. 24 2011,09:49)You will find ones who say to worship Yahshua is wrong, because he is not the Father literally.Yeah Thankful,There are some of us here who still like to obey God's command and Jesus' teaching to worship and serve ONLY YHVH, our God. peace and love,mike

Hi Gene,Good food for thought. I wonder if God numbered my hairs before or after I lost half of them? mike

What are you talking about, Jack? I'm not whining about anything at all. I just want us to wait for Francis to catch up before moving forward.You are something else, Jack. mike

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 24 2011,04:37)1. ITs you who stated that Jesus was not God becasue it was used as a Title. Therefore we asked u to prove it, and have been debating that ever since.No, it was Francis who made the claim saying, in essence, “God calls Jesus 'God' in Hebrews 1:8……….therefore Jesus must be God Almighty”.Now we've all…[Read more]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Jan. 24 2011,04:37)Hi Mike,Quote No, get YOUR facts straight…………and read what I actually wrote before spouting off:No Mike, It seems that THEOS is used differently than Elohim.  because for Certain theos is used to present a “supreme being”.  Just put the defintions side by side and you can see that they dont t…[Read more]

Hey D,What are you doing right now? It seems you and I are the only ones here. Do you have the time to do an “instant” debate about these things we're discussing right now?mike

Hi D,Read the second to the last line in my recent post to Francis on this page.  We ARE in agreement.And you keep saying you've proved that Jesus created.  I haven't seen any scripture that says so.  So like I said, YOU would have to PROVE that Jesus created.  I believe the scriptures that say the Father created the heavens and the earth and EVE…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Jan. 13 2011,19:11)Good arguments brother Gene. Jewish Messiah was never meant other than human being born to human parents. Literal preexistence of Messiah is some thing unknown to Judaism and Hebrew Bible.Love and peace to youAdamHi Adam,You are right.  The Jews thought the Messiah would be just like them – a “human being…[Read more]

Bump for Keith:Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 22 2011,07:53)MikeYou are not interested in discussing whether there is a Trinity God in the scriptures, because if we take the literal meaning of the scriptures then the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are God.The singular name and the definite articles is proof enough to prove my point with JA and…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 23 2011,18:16)Hi Francis,What I believe Mike is saying is :Mike has been for a long time for someone like you to come along,who is willing to debate him on the trinity, because you have not (as yet) ran away from him.You handing the debate over to WJ, would be what Mike refers to as 'running away'.Yes Ed, You have it right. I'm…[Read more]

Hi Francis,The “someone who doesn't run away” IS you.  And I've been waiting for you to come around HN for a long time.  I have three or four stalled debates with WJ on this site, and two or three with Jack.  They all have ended with a point from me that they refuse to answer……….and so they have bailed from the debates.So don't you go and do…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 23 2011,03:05)Why does it seem that the anti Jesus is God crowd seek to diminish Jesus rather than exalt him?We are calling a spade a spade, Keith.  Jesus is the second most powerful ruler in existence and our Lord.  We love him as much as you do and are just as thankful for his part in our salvation.  But if sc…[Read more]